Forgive my ignorance - is it this simple ... yet this complicated?

[David Milisock]

RAMpage ICC has been around a while, at least since v9....but it *is* an option a customer has to purchase...so maybe your customer didn't have the ICC option. Just sayin' that making a blanket statement that implies RAMpage doesn't support ICC color managment is dangerous unless you have all the facts.




I'm getting the nagging feeling that YOU may be talking about digital presses while I'M assuming we're talking about web and sheetfed offset litho presses...is that maybe the confusion here? In any case, my experience with color-managed workflows differs significantly from your experience.



Speaking of "Acrobat", that sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through just to get a job into a workflow....and you use CorelDRAW as part of your normal workflow recommendations? Interesting.



I think we're talking two different things again. What I'm saying is that as far as a SOURCE profile (or a "target" profile that I want to match if you prefer), I wouldn't generally recommend the use of a non-standard or custom profile. Of course the press (destination) profile would be custom....but I'm not necessarily advocating profiling an offset press unless the customer is looking to "color-manage" the press data for ink savings or they have a specific (non-standard) printing condition such as Hexachrome or wide-gamut CMYK that needs to be custom-profiled for use in a proofer or whatever.....otherwise, even for proofing, I'm generally recommending *against* custom press profiles and sticking with industry-standard profiles...and then *calibrating* the press to meet that specification. That's one of the tenets of the G7 method is 1) use of a *standard* specification/profile for proofing and 2) calibrate but don't necessarily color-manage the press to hit that specification. IOW, have the press match the (standard) proof rather than the other way 'round.

Terry

>a blanket statement that implies RAMpage doesn't support ICC color managment is dangerous
Agreed but I don't remember what version< I shoul dhave said the version I was using.

>...is that maybe the confusion here? I
No I deal in both. As I said in my past post unless these certified ICC work flows are interjecting themseles between the RIP/Plate setter, (creating th elinearization, ink limit and orifle of the press destination colo rspace) then in reality you have a PS CM system mofdified with ICC profiles.

>and you use CorelDRAW as part of your normal workflow recommendations? Interesting.

I use what ever the client wants, can I use CS5? You bet, Ihave CS2, 3 and 5! Can I use CorelDRAW X5? You bet, I worte the book on their color management systems and have X3, 4 and X5! As long as they use money to pay me I'm happy. I will say this as far as short run work and signage goes CorelDRAW is much faster and adapatble then Adobe, has to do with native color support and infinite application level control of effects resolution.

Can you guys answer the question as to where the G7 or other specification interjects it's changes, before, inside or afer the RIP/setter? If it's anyhting other than in side the RIP/setter than it's a PS Color Managed Syatem like it or not.

 

[schenkadere]

Where do you work?

 

[David Milisock]

years self employed comsultant. All types of systems I get called in when it fails.