Heidelberg QM DI 46/4

adam3

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HI!
I' m beggining with printing DI 46/4 and i have a couple o f question about it.

What are the most troublesome in printing from Heidelberg QM DI PLUS 46/4?
What are the indicative prices of repairs? Prints on sheet 170g chalk full of print, 15000 pieces of SRA3, 4 +4. How long will it print ?
 
What are the most troublesome in printing from Heidelberg QM DI PLUS 46/4?

not sure what your asking. but temperature control can be an issue. keeping the plate residue off the plate can be troublesome.


What are the indicative prices of repairs? Prints on sheet 170g chalk full of print, 15000 pieces of SRA3, 4 +4. How long will it print ?

to have heidelberg fix all most anything will cost $2000 in labor. $200/hour. parts vary from $100 to $20000. cheaper parts I generally fix myself.


plate life is generally an issue. depends on paper conditions. good clean enamel will get you more imp/plate. some times I would get 7000 impressions sometimes I would get 14000
 
Things to look for when printing on a QMDI

Things to look for when printing on a QMDI

This is going to be alot of information, but I worked on this machine since its introduction to the US in 1996. Over the years I compiled a list of issues that were common on the machine and how to alleviate them. The following are the major ones pertaining to printing on the machine.

Hickeys and plate trash

1: Environment: Keep everything clean and free from dust. This includes
the guards, especially the one covering the first unit over the feeder.
This guard has a tendency to collect paper dust and powder on the
backside of it. Every time you close it, the dust goes into the first
unit ink rollers.

2: Clean the edges of the rollers free of dried ink. This involves
removing the rollers and cleaning them by hand periodically, preferably
once every other month. The dried ink chips off and causes hickeys.

3. Clean the gap guards frequently. Some people like to do it before
every plate burn; this is a personal preference issue but it does help
to keep the excess silicone from getting in your rollers. I recommend
they be cleaned a minimum of every 3 burns.

4. After burning large solids, clean the plate by hand then let the
press perform a full plate cleaning cycle. This is probably the most
important step to help prevent silicone from getting in the rollers.

5. Do not use a dull knife when cutting paper for the press. This
creates an excess of paper dust which will eventually end up in the
rollers.

6. Make sure all of your vacuum units are working properly. This means
cleaning the silicone bags out monthly. You can tell if a vacuum unit is
not working by removing one of the bags during a wash-up cycle. If no
air is blowing out the tube the bag attaches to, the unit may not be
functioning.

7. Clean the vacuum heads every night. Silicone gets trapped inside them
and can fall out into the press. An air hose blown inside them does an
adequate job. They should be removed every night during the wash-up
process to begin with; this presents a good opportunity to clean them.
Hickeys are a problem with any type of printing equipment. By
following the above steps, you should be able to keep them to a minimum.

8. Check your roller stripes to the distributor rollers. Sometimes one is not touching and never cleans up properly. Ink, paper trash and silicone start sticking to the offending roller and cause hickies.

Plate Scratches

There are many things that can cause plate scratches, the most common being dirt. First, lets explain the mechanical items that could cause a scratch.

On the classic machines the vacuum unit in the first unit which is responsible for removing excess silicone is a culprit. This unit is difficult to remove at best, as a result it gets dinged up due to the fact it is made of aluminum. This unit will scratch the plate during the loading process if there are burrs or dried ink on it. When the plate loads it must release first, when this happens the plate material actually comes off of the plate cylinder 2 or 3 mm very briefly. At this moment it touches the vacuum unit and scratches the tail end 4 inches of the plate. This is an easy one to identify for 3 reasons:

1. The scratches are about 4 inches long on the tail.
2. They are always on the first unit.
3. They are always in the same place.

This problem does not happen on the Plus or the Pro machine as the vacuum units were redesigned, for easier removal and to move closer to the plate mechanically during the cleaning process.

The next mechanical issue is the plate wash cloths themselves. The early material Heidelberg originally used had short grain, it ran from side to side. Because of this it would stretch during the clean up process causing wrinkles in it. This wrinkles would come up high enough to drag on the plate while the press was running. This would scratch the plate during the press run. Also this plate wash cloth was notorious for having fibers come loose and drag on the plate causing the same problem. Once again this problem is easy to identify. Any time you have a plate scratch that is not apparent during make-ready and appears during the run it is due to something dragging on the plate. The location of the scratch will be random. We have not used this style of cloth since 1997, although it is still available through aftermarket companies and is used by quite a few QMDI shops. They may be a bit less expensive than the ones we sell, but that savings is offset by the plate re-burns they are responsible for. The way to tell the difference between the aftermarket ones and ours is that ours have dimples in them to reduce loose fibers and the grain runs long to stop stretching.

If the air pressure is too high for the plate cleaning pistons (these actually press the plate wash cloth against the plate). You will get scratches consistently on all units in random places. The adjustment for this next to the console by the delivery on the operator side (You will have to move the console). It should be set between 3 and 4.5 bars.

If the plate scratches look like Morse code (Dots and dashes) , you more than like have a problem with the black rubber covered shaft not spinning freely on the plate gap guard.

The last mechanical issue is the foam rubber strip on the plate wash mechanism itself. This strip gets damaged due to the pressman trying to save a buck. The plate wash material will run out, instead of changing it right away the pressman will reset the count knowing that there are about 4 more cleanings left. He forgets he did this and runs the unit free of cloth. Now instead of the cloth hitting the, plate the foam hits it and gets ripped off of the device. (I have seen the tail end of the cloth wrap around a plate cylinder by a pressman doing this and pull the whole mechanism out of the brackets. 25K repair tag on this mistake, all in the name of saving 2 dollars and some change.) When the press operator orders the new foam to install he needs to glue it to the bar. We recommend using Loctite 406 for this, as it is a type of superglue which dries sort of rubbery. Typically the operator uses superglue instead, some of it gets on the outside of the foam and hardens. This hardened glue now scratches the plate during wash up. These scratches are identified as being in the same place, going from gripper to tail and noticeable at make-ready. Usually they are very dark.

The main reason for plate scratches is this… Dirt. All it takes is a piece of dried ink, powder, or dust to scratch a plate. The first unit is where 90% of the scratches happen. This is because there is typically powder and paper dust everywhere as the feeder is rarely ever vacuumed or cleaned on any regular basis. Take a look at the guard on this unit, when you open it you will see powder on it. If you accidentally drop the guard, all of that powder and dust comes free and settles on the plate wash cloth which is exposed. (The other cleaning units are in the press under the cylinders so they do not collect the amount of dust the first unit does.) This causes random light scratches at startup. If you keep the guard and feeder area clean it will reduce scratches dramatically.

Another thing most people notice, is that after the press sits for the weekend and the first job is burned on Monday, plate scratches are apparent on the first unit. This is because dust settled on the cloth over the weekend and the lines which supply the wash-up solution are dry. I recommend to prime the lines in special function 12 on each unit a couple of times and to advance the plate cloths by manually starting the plate cleaning mode and hitting the stop button as soon as it starts. You will hear the clothes advance three times after you hit the stop button. By doing this you will have a new cloth ready to go and solution in the lines.

I have been working on this machine since 1996. I have done countless shows with new and used machines, not too mention how many I have worked on in the field. Plate scratches are rarely an issue, if I had to place a number on them I would say 1 in every 20 plates will get scratched, as we cannot control every piece of dirt there is in a print shop. I have used the plate washers in every situation. The only time I suggest to turn them off is to hand wipe a large solid, then I start the wash up program to finish up (this prevents silicone from getting in the rollers causing hickeys.). I never use them to clean hickeys from the plate during a run, more than likely whatever is on the plate causing the hickey is something that will scratch the plate if you use the hickey cleaning mode (I affectionately call this the " Plate scratcher mode".). Just wipe it off by hand, it only takes a minute which is much less than having to re-burn a plate.

I hope this information will help you become more proficient and profitable with your machine.
 
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do you have spec's on the qmdi---I am looking to buy a '97 model and need to know the basis spec's on the machine.
 
@Paul Cavanaugh
That's a lot of useful information. My experience is similar to yours.

In addition to keeping the environment and press clean to minimize scratches, I would venture to say temperature control to prevent toning would be another issue. Make sure your rollers are not too warm. You can get a cheap thermometer from Radio Shack with a probe attached to the 4th unit fountain roller to ensure that the chillers are working properly. The thermometer has a LCD which we mount next to the 4th unit ink tray and displays the room temperature and the roller temperature.

We also have issues with certain inks. We've tried Toyo, Sun and are now using Heidelberg's Saphira. Problems with each of them but were eventually resolved. We're on the West Coast and we find that inks that were performing well on the East Coast don't work very well here. Typically tack issues. The last batch of Saphira inks had a Yellow formation which caused toning as soon as we switched on the IR dryer. The Yellow has since been reformulated with a higher heat tolerance and is ok now.

@efbros
Heidelberg DI Pro 46-4 Specifications

Stock Thickness
Mininum: 0.04mm (0.0026in)
Maximum: 0.40mm (0.016in)

Sheet Size
Minimum Sheet Size: 140mm x 89mm (5.5in x 3.5in)
Maximum Sheet Size: 460mm x 340mm (18.11in x 13.38in)

Imageable Area
Maximum Printable Area: 450mm x 330mm (17.71in x 12.99in)
Gripper Margin: 10mm (0.39in)

Resolution
1,270 dpi or 2,540 dpi up to 200 lpi

Imaging Times
4 minutes at 1,270 dpi

Laser
Laser Diodes per printing unit: 16

Blanket Cylinders
Size: 555mm x 337mm (21.85in x 13.26in)
Thickness: 1.95mm (0.077in)
Blanket cylinder undercut: 2.3mm (0.091")
Packing: 0.4mm (0.016in)

Production Speeds
Maximum production run speed: 10,000 sheets per hour
Minimum production run speed: 3,500 sheets per hour
Crawl mode: 500 revolutions per hour

Printing Plates:
Roll dimensions: 340mm x 19.5metres (13.38in x 64ft)
No of masters per roll: 35 (full sized masters)
Plate thickness: 0.18mm (0.007in)
Run length: 20,000 impressions
Shelf life: 2 years
 
HQMDi problems in Colombia

HQMDi problems in Colombia

Hi, I'm from Colombia, recently I was hired to install a machine Heidelberg QM DI 46-4 Classic, with IR Dry.

I have questions as a unit is that we have not been able to wash run. for example do not understand how is the preparation of the wash solution, I have a detergent, but the manual says demineralized distilled water, with a MT20 Micropur pills are very expensive :(, anyone know of a more economical solution and we do badly . Another is that here the mechanics of machines Heidelberg in Colombia do not know is more or representatives say they have not qualified technician, so I played with the operations manual only half putting it together, I could take an ink impression, but there are troubling that is magenta (red), well the other is that there is installed the water tube to the refrigeration unit but do not know whether to leave the key water control all the time or just have to wait to fill the tank water. Please I need help. buy it at a good price, but the mechanic of the company you bought it does not come to Colombia with a fear that says here is dangerous :confused:, and as you know many people have come out without a single risk or danger. Please, I take with what I have and I have set it up as well as treatment.

Well in which case, please ask for help. Another is that there is a fan or vacuum cleaner that the four (black) does not work. rather a friend would be great. Well not sure if this forum because if someone gets better in miami U.S. want to know Colombia with all the toys (womans, good room, good food, good attention, hahahaha)) and want to make the service the machine. Here they try to learn everything :D:D. Thx AugustoV, Bogota, CO.
 
Hello,

Our publishing company is interested in buying a QMDI Plus or Pro version to print our weekly 16 page booklet (finished size 8.5"x11"), full color on all pages, 1500 books(weekly). We are currently farming the printing out but want to bring it in house.
Other than the rollers, please let me know what may require immediate replacement on pre owned/leased machines with 15-30M impressions.
I heard that the lasers and boards can be really expensive.
Would you recommend a used QMDI for the job mentioned above, a toner based press or should we be looking at traditional 4color offset press?
Thank you.
[email protected]


This is going to be alot of information, but I worked on this machine since its introduction to the US in 1996. Over the years I compiled a list of issues that were common on the machine and how to alleviate them. The following are the major ones pertaining to printing on the machine.

Hickeys and plate trash

1: Environment: Keep everything clean and free from dust. This includes
the guards, especially the one covering the first unit over the feeder.
This guard has a tendency to collect paper dust and powder on the
backside of it. Every time you close it, the dust goes into the first
unit ink rollers.

2: Clean the edges of the rollers free of dried ink. This involves
removing the rollers and cleaning them by hand periodically, preferably
once every other month. The dried ink chips off and causes hickeys.

3. Clean the gap guards frequently. Some people like to do it before
every plate burn; this is a personal preference issue but it does help
to keep the excess silicone from getting in your rollers. I recommend
they be cleaned a minimum of every 3 burns.

4. After burning large solids, clean the plate by hand then let the
press perform a full plate cleaning cycle. This is probably the most
important step to help prevent silicone from getting in the rollers.

5. Do not use a dull knife when cutting paper for the press. This
creates an excess of paper dust which will eventually end up in the
rollers.

6. Make sure all of your vacuum units are working properly. This means
cleaning the silicone bags out monthly. You can tell if a vacuum unit is
not working by removing one of the bags during a wash-up cycle. If no
air is blowing out the tube the bag attaches to, the unit may not be
functioning.

7. Clean the vacuum heads every night. Silicone gets trapped inside them
and can fall out into the press. An air hose blown inside them does an
adequate job. They should be removed every night during the wash-up
process to begin with; this presents a good opportunity to clean them.
Hickeys are a problem with any type of printing equipment. By
following the above steps, you should be able to keep them to a minimum.

8. Check your roller stripes to the distributor rollers. Sometimes one is not touching and never cleans up properly. Ink, paper trash and silicone start sticking to the offending roller and cause hickies.

Plate Scratches

There are many things that can cause plate scratches, the most common being dirt. First, lets explain the mechanical items that could cause a scratch.

On the classic machines the vacuum unit in the first unit which is responsible for removing excess silicone is a culprit. This unit is difficult to remove at best, as a result it gets dinged up due to the fact it is made of aluminum. This unit will scratch the plate during the loading process if there are burrs or dried ink on it. When the plate loads it must release first, when this happens the plate material actually comes off of the plate cylinder 2 or 3 mm very briefly. At this moment it touches the vacuum unit and scratches the tail end 4 inches of the plate. This is an easy one to identify for 3 reasons:

1. The scratches are about 4 inches long on the tail.
2. They are always on the first unit.
3. They are always in the same place.

This problem does not happen on the Plus or the Pro machine as the vacuum units were redesigned, for easier removal and to move closer to the plate mechanically during the cleaning process.

The next mechanical issue is the plate wash cloths themselves. The early material Heidelberg originally used had short grain, it ran from side to side. Because of this it would stretch during the clean up process causing wrinkles in it. This wrinkles would come up high enough to drag on the plate while the press was running. This would scratch the plate during the press run. Also this plate wash cloth was notorious for having fibers come loose and drag on the plate causing the same problem. Once again this problem is easy to identify. Any time you have a plate scratch that is not apparent during make-ready and appears during the run it is due to something dragging on the plate. The location of the scratch will be random. We have not used this style of cloth since 1997, although it is still available through aftermarket companies and is used by quite a few QMDI shops. They may be a bit less expensive than the ones we sell, but that savings is offset by the plate re-burns they are responsible for. The way to tell the difference between the aftermarket ones and ours is that ours have dimples in them to reduce loose fibers and the grain runs long to stop stretching.

If the air pressure is too high for the plate cleaning pistons (these actually press the plate wash cloth against the plate). You will get scratches consistently on all units in random places. The adjustment for this next to the console by the delivery on the operator side (You will have to move the console). It should be set between 3 and 4.5 bars.

If the plate scratches look like Morse code (Dots and dashes) , you more than like have a problem with the black rubber covered shaft not spinning freely on the plate gap guard.

The last mechanical issue is the foam rubber strip on the plate wash mechanism itself. This strip gets damaged due to the pressman trying to save a buck. The plate wash material will run out, instead of changing it right away the pressman will reset the count knowing that there are about 4 more cleanings left. He forgets he did this and runs the unit free of cloth. Now instead of the cloth hitting the, plate the foam hits it and gets ripped off of the device. (I have seen the tail end of the cloth wrap around a plate cylinder by a pressman doing this and pull the whole mechanism out of the brackets. 25K repair tag on this mistake, all in the name of saving 2 dollars and some change.) When the press operator orders the new foam to install he needs to glue it to the bar. We recommend using Loctite 406 for this, as it is a type of superglue which dries sort of rubbery. Typically the operator uses superglue instead, some of it gets on the outside of the foam and hardens. This hardened glue now scratches the plate during wash up. These scratches are identified as being in the same place, going from gripper to tail and noticeable at make-ready. Usually they are very dark.

The main reason for plate scratches is this… Dirt. All it takes is a piece of dried ink, powder, or dust to scratch a plate. The first unit is where 90% of the scratches happen. This is because there is typically powder and paper dust everywhere as the feeder is rarely ever vacuumed or cleaned on any regular basis. Take a look at the guard on this unit, when you open it you will see powder on it. If you accidentally drop the guard, all of that powder and dust comes free and settles on the plate wash cloth which is exposed. (The other cleaning units are in the press under the cylinders so they do not collect the amount of dust the first unit does.) This causes random light scratches at startup. If you keep the guard and feeder area clean it will reduce scratches dramatically.

Another thing most people notice, is that after the press sits for the weekend and the first job is burned on Monday, plate scratches are apparent on the first unit. This is because dust settled on the cloth over the weekend and the lines which supply the wash-up solution are dry. I recommend to prime the lines in special function 12 on each unit a couple of times and to advance the plate cloths by manually starting the plate cleaning mode and hitting the stop button as soon as it starts. You will hear the clothes advance three times after you hit the stop button. By doing this you will have a new cloth ready to go and solution in the lines.

I have been working on this machine since 1996. I have done countless shows with new and used machines, not too mention how many I have worked on in the field. Plate scratches are rarely an issue, if I had to place a number on them I would say 1 in every 20 plates will get scratched, as we cannot control every piece of dirt there is in a print shop. I have used the plate washers in every situation. The only time I suggest to turn them off is to hand wipe a large solid, then I start the wash up program to finish up (this prevents silicone from getting in the rollers causing hickeys.). I never use them to clean hickeys from the plate during a run, more than likely whatever is on the plate causing the hickey is something that will scratch the plate if you use the hickey cleaning mode (I affectionately call this the " Plate scratcher mode".). Just wipe it off by hand, it only takes a minute which is much less than having to re-burn a plate.

I hope this information will help you become more proficient and profitable with your machine.
 
Mark,

The QMDI Plus or Pro is a very good choice to print your booklets although you must realize the machine is a printing press and not a copier. What I mean by that is you will need a qualified pressman as well as a knowledgable pre-press department to run the machine. Not knowing your current situation I feel obligated to explain this as I have worked with many places who have bought one thinking they could put anyone on it and get a printed piece.

Things to look for that may fail on a used machine are, Laser Drive Modules, Laser Diodes, the press PC, blanket washers, plate washer foam strips, oscillating track cams for the distributor rollers, Delivery chain sprockets (roll pin breaks) and air leaks in the short stroke pistons.

I would not buy one of these machines used unless I was present for a print test which covered the QMTEST job (Registration and general print quality), 60PRCNT (Shows laser diode functionality, alignment and power as well as how well the plate washers are working.), A solid test and a breakaway solid test to see the condition of the cylinders.

Back when this machine came out there was nothing that could touch it in short run turn around times. This is no longer the case as new innovations in conventional printing have surpassed the DI. (CTP, Better Autoplate hanging mechanisms, Inpress auto registration, etc.) Today, DI press technology still has a niche in the market. Your application is one of them. With the prices these machines are going for used, an in house application such as you describe is ideal.

Keep in mind, if you are looking to expand your program to a commercial printing application in the future you may want to entertain another platform in order to do so... SM52 Anicolor.
 
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Mark,

The QMDI Plus or Pro is a very good choice to print your booklets although you must realize the machine is a printing press and not a copier. What I mean by that is you will need a qualified pressman as well as a knowledgable pre-press department to run the machine. Not knowing your current situation I feel obligated to explain this as I have worked with many places who have bought one thinking they could put anyone on it and get a printed piece.

Things to look for that may fail on a used machine are, Laser Drive Modules, Laser Diodes, the press PC, blanket washers, plate washer foam strips, oscillating track cams for the distributor rollers, Delivery chain sprockets (roll pin breaks) and air leaks in the short stroke pistons.

I would not buy one of these machines used unless I was present for a print test which covered the QMTEST job (Registration and general print quality), 60PRCNT (Shows laser diode functionality, alignment and power as well as how well the plate washers are working.), A solid test and a breakaway solid test to see the condition of the cylinders.

Back when this machine came out there was nothing that could touch it in short run turn around times. This is no longer the case as new innovations in conventional printing have surpassed the DI. (CTP, Better Autoplate hanging mechanisms, Inpress auto registration, etc.) Today, DI press technology still has a niche in the market. Your application is one of them. With the prices these machines are going for used, an in house application such as you describe is ideal.

Keep in mind, if you are looking to expand your program to a commercial printing application in the future you may want to entertain another platform in order to do so... SM52 Anicolor.

Hi,
Thank you for the information. The price of the QMDI on the used market is very tempting. It seems like a nice entry into short run work and the press has a small footprint.

However, the QMDI, being a real press, with a ton of electronics, makes it a bit scary to jump into if one is not a trained DI mechanic, electrical engineer, and have really deep pockets.

If I thought it would work well and not break the bank in initial repairs, I would defiantly pull the trigger. I also fear that I would be left dead in the water if something minor broke.

It seems to me that a competent press operator, using a mechanical press (minus all the lasers and gizmos), would be able to diagnose a breakdown much easier. Back to the basics might not be so bad for in house light production.

I will be looking more closely at two color presses w/ ctp setups.
Please let me know if you have any other recommndations.
Thank you!
 
Thank u

Thank u

I have served all your help, I Heidelberg with a qualified technician to solve my problem, my QMDI classic is functioning very well, in fact, I've learned mechanics and I feel somewhat qualified to make and repair problems, from time to time I have problems, for example, the washing of the blanket, because in Colombia there are no washing solution for this, not if there is any kind solution, it's worth, as it is always a pain to wash it by hand, especially the black unit which is difficult to wash. If anyone knows of something that works I would be very useful. Thanks again.
 
Small booklets?

Small booklets?

Paul,

I wanted to get your input on running small booklets (5x7") 60 total pages on 80lb gloss. I need to produce these 4 times a year with perfect bound. So would it be more more efficient and cost effective to put this on a QMDI or perhaps on a 4up Kord? Thanks, kristian.
 

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