Windows 11

keith1

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I just happened across this when looking at today's news. It's somewhat distressing to me because I was literally minutes away from placing an order for a new custom computer which will take me from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I held off as long as I could.
My logical thinking tells me I will dislike whatever Windows 11 is even more than I disliked Windows 10 when it arrived. Why I still use 7. But now it's thrown a spanner into my mind works.
Anyone have any inside info?

 

chriscozi

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My experience with Windows7 and Virii left a bad taste.
I don't have any more Win7 machines that can see the internet. :)
Windows10 is at least more secure by default.
Windows11 ??? no idea but it will have to be better than Windows7.
 

PricelineNegotiator

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I just happened across this when looking at today's news. It's somewhat distressing to me because I was literally minutes away from placing an order for a new custom computer which will take me from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I held off as long as I could.
My logical thinking tells me I will dislike whatever Windows 11 is even more than I disliked Windows 10 when it arrived. Why I still use 7. But now it's thrown a spanner into my mind works.
Anyone have any inside info?

Windows 10 uses less system resources than Windows 7 and runs on more diverse hardware sets. It's also more secure, as Chris noted. Still using Windows 7 at this time signals to me that you are not able to adapt to change very well. I would highly recommend you develop this skill -immediately- as technology curves are exponential, not linear. It will be harder and harder to "catch up" as time progresses. It's also only an interface, I try not to overthink these things.

If you make the claim that Windows 8/8.1 was complete garbage, you are completely correct and my stance on "adopting new technologies as they emerge" is wrong in that context. However, I still think it wise to understand trends and at least dip your toes in the water.

Windows 10 is much more efficient as a workflow platform than Windows 7.
 

Macmann

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We held out on upgrading from 7 to 10 until early 2020. Much more secure and easier for our IT department to maintain. The transition has been pretty painless. Most people were familiar with Windows 10 for a while seeing that they had laptops and tablets at home already running 10.
Go for it!
 

keith1

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Thanks but I wasn't asking about Windows 10, I was asking about 11. As for me still using 7. It's always worked well for me and if it ain't busted . . . Plus it takes forever to get things (the way the computer operates) back to the way I like things to be. I got off the hamster wheels of continual upgrades a number of years ago. Being pretty much retired now I have no need for the latest & greatest and no desire to spend money pointlessly. When I do replace I tend to overbuy. That is; buy more computing power than I need. It's worked for me. That said, it is now time.
It may help to point out that I no longer work in a 'shop' situation. At one time I operated presses, assembled film, computer pre-press etc. Paid my dues for about 30 years. However for the past 15 years I've sat on my ass in my office 20 steps from my bedroom operating my own business. I highly recommend the commute. So you see, I'm under no pressure to keep up with the trends.
 

namelessentity

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I build my own PCs and consider myself a power user and never understood the hate for Win10. Win8 was a pile of crap, but 10 was better than 7 in every way. Don't be a grumpy old man, you'll acclimate to it in like a week.
 

Macmann

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I meant don't wait because of an impending revision to 11. You'll be able to run 10 for years to come and you won't miss 7 at all.
 

PricelineNegotiator

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Thanks but I wasn't asking about Windows 10, I was asking about 11. As for me still using 7. It's always worked well for me and if it ain't busted . . . Plus it takes forever to get things (the way the computer operates) back to the way I like things to be. I got off the hamster wheels of continual upgrades a number of years ago. Being pretty much retired now I have no need for the latest & greatest and no desire to spend money pointlessly. When I do replace I tend to overbuy. That is; buy more computing power than I need. It's worked for me. That said, it is now time.
It may help to point out that I no longer work in a 'shop' situation. At one time I operated presses, assembled film, computer pre-press etc. Paid my dues for about 30 years. However for the past 15 years I've sat on my ass in my office 20 steps from my bedroom operating my own business. I highly recommend the commute. So you see, I'm under no pressure to keep up with the trends.
It's just a rumor as of now. I wouldn't be surprised if it was ARM compatible if Windows 11 actually comes out. You can always try out pre-release builds, or at least you could with Windows 10 before it was officially out. Keep an eye out for that opportunity.
 

keith1

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I went ahead & placed my order. I buy from a privately owned shop that's been servicing computer users for a long time.
I get that it should be new & wonderful and it might be to most. I hate having to reload everything, transfer files and the endless tweaking to get things how I like.
Thanks to all for the input.
 

prepressdork

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Hi Keith,

I say go ahead and buy/build your custom PC. As @Macmann pointed out, you'll likely be able to run Windows 10 for several years after Windows 11 has launched and they may even allow you to upgrade for free as they have with Windows 10. I will say that one thing I despise about Windows 10 is their "Suggestions" (ad's) feature. There's like 8 places within Windows 10 where you can disable Suggestions. I found an article on the web that shows you where all those places are and how to disable them.

Best regards,
pd
 

keith1

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I found an article on the web that shows you where all those places are and how to disable them.
If you have that URL handy I'd appreciate it. I've instructed them not to install any of the Microsoft fluff & helpers when installing the operating system but I expect to get rid of more. This sort of thing is the exact reason why I procrastinate over new systems. You spend a month getting rid of useless crap.
Remember that paper clip thing? Can't recall if it was a Windows or an Office thing. grrrr!!!
 

PricelineNegotiator

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Hi Keith,

I say go ahead and buy/build your custom PC. As @Macmann pointed out, you'll likely be able to run Windows 10 for several years after Windows 11 has launched and they may even allow you to upgrade for free as they have with Windows 10. I will say that one thing I despise about Windows 10 is their "Suggestions" (ad's) feature. There's like 8 places within Windows 10 where you can disable Suggestions. I found an article on the web that shows you where all those places are and how to disable them.

Best regards,
pd
I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't know of any suggestions MS gives me.
 

keith1

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I don't know of any suggestions MS gives me.
Every single piece of software they've ever put out is full of fluff & 'helpers', 'assistants', 'wizards'. Call them what you will. Useless crap that tries to tell you how to go about operating your own computer and what is best for your 'computing experience' (according to them).
 

namelessentity

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Every single piece of software they've ever put out is full of fluff & 'helpers', 'assistants', 'wizards'. Call them what you will. Useless crap that tries to tell you how to go about operating your own computer and what is best for your 'computing experience' (according to them).
Most computer users call the monitor the computer and the case the hard drive. You can't be surprised that MS/Apple has to design the OS around those users. It reminds me of a quote I saw the other day by a forest ranger at Yosemite National Park on why it is hard to design the perfect garbage bin to keep bears from breaking into it: "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists."
 

PricelineNegotiator

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Every single piece of software they've ever put out is full of fluff & 'helpers', 'assistants', 'wizards'. Call them what you will. Useless crap that tries to tell you how to go about operating your own computer and what is best for your 'computing experience' (according to them).
I'm looking for a specific example of what he is talking about. First practice of buying a computer from anywhere is to install a clean copy of Windows. All the things you talk about can be disabled in the first 30 minutes of getting the computer up and running. There should be no annoying pop-ups besides Windows Update, which has decreased dramatically from how often it used to get in your face about restarting. Can you be more specific?
 

Joe

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Windows 7 stopped getting security updates last July I think it was. If you are running a business on a Windows 7 machine good luck if someone encrypts your data and demands a ransom for it. Yes it can still happen with Windows 10 but Microsoft will be putting out security updates for years to come for Windows 10. The county government in the county I work in was still running Windows XP and had to pay one bitcoin to get their data unencrypted. At the time it happened one bitcoin cost them $28,000. Right now one bitcoin is over $38,000.
 
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PricelineNegotiator

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Windows 7 stopped getting security updates last July I think it was. If you are running a business on a Windows 7 machine good luck if someone encrypts your data and demands a ransom for it. Yes it can still happen with Windows 10 but Microsoft will be putting out security updates for years to come for Windows 10. The county government in the county I work in was still running Windows XP and had to pay one bitcoin to get their data unencrypted. At the time it happened one bitcoin cost them $28,000. Right now one bitcoin is over $38,000.
No one tends to listen to this argument until it happens to them. It's a lot easier to be a slow and reactive than to be proactive.
 
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prepressdork

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Here you go:


When I installed Windows 10 from scratch, the info contained in the above link was necessary. When I upgraded some Windows 7 workstations to Windows 10, the above didn't seem to be necessary.

Best regards,
pd
 

prepressdork

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It's been about 4 or so years since I've installed Windows 10 from scratch. Perhaps MS did away with ad's in later builds of Windows 10?

pd
 

keith1

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Here you go:
Thanks PD. I expect the guy putting the machine together will make certain not to install that stuff but I expect to make further adjustments. I'll eventually get things to how I like. I've used shell tweakers with each version of Windows. Small tweaks but endlessly useful for ones sanity. The kindly souls that put those out at no cost are heroes!
I was speaking with a friend last night. She hates Windows 10. Then it gradually dawned on me that she's using what I guess would be the default install on an off the shelf machine, and she's not confident enough to change things.
 

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