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  • #16
    We currently have 2 Lino Pro901's, Ricoh but thru Heidelberg. With a pretty dam close color match. We are about to upgrade them just not sure with what yet. We also have a Xeikon 9800 with GM XP500 inline finishing. Power is no problem here. I am currently looking to maybe replace all 3 with the KM1. We also run offset for our volume work. I was curious on the 7200 and 9200 pricing.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by printing656 View Post
      The only downside to 2 machines is floor space and color matching if you're splitting jobs.
      You can always create a master color profile for both units using the Color Profiler Suite software that comes with it or you can even G7 certify both units. Either way matching color between multiple units and even to offset is very possible.

      disclosure - I work for Ricoh's production group

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      • #18
        Does the ricoh have gold toner option? I see they have fluorescent pink and yellow.

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        • #19
          No gold that I am aware of. Invisible red, pink, yellow, clear, white
          (2) Ricoh Pro 7110SX digital printers
          OKI C931e with Straight Shooter Envelope feeder

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          • #20
            The proof is in the pudding. Do serious research. Visit a few customers that have had the machines for a while. Ask about SLAs to existing customers. Ask to run thousands of sheets to stress test the machine. Bring hard jobs. To me quality of service and total uptime will far outweight bells and whistles like white or pink etc. I've seen the Iridesse and the 7200's output and they are both very matte. For serious production I'd trust the Iridesse simply because you can visit many existing customers and its built mostly on proven technology. Do serious research, share and good luck!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Shaare View Post
              The proof is in the pudding. Do serious research. Visit a few customers that have had the machines for a while. Ask about SLAs to existing customers. Ask to run thousands of sheets to stress test the machine. Bring hard jobs. To me quality of service and total uptime will far outweight bells and whistles like white or pink etc. I've seen the Iridesse and the 7200's output and they are both very matte. For serious production I'd trust the Iridesse simply because you can visit many existing customers and its built mostly on proven technology. Do serious research, share and good luck!
              Your Spot on Shaare! i have been apart of digital printing for 20 years now, and find some special colours are not worth it. Except for Clear, Gold and silver i don't see anything else making enough money to worry about. Don't get conned by fancy stuff.
              What i look for is a solid machine, a proven track record, Sharp Higher resolution ( which is the one thing i find clients ask for ), the number one, is consistent colour from start to finish ( I have only found one company that is good at this, with no fuss), service that is near-by and treat the service people with respect. You might be under the pump, frustrated, angry, but a service tech is there to help, keep them onside. Dont go for the cheapest opinion ! it will cost you in the long run. If a sales rep says " The price is so good, you could get two for the price of one of the competitors ....... Run !!!!!
              Last edited by Digital Anthony; 02-03-2019, 10:00 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Digital Anthony View Post

                Your Spot on Shaare! i have been apart of digital printing for 20 years now, and find some special colours are not worth it. Except for Clear, Gold and silver i don't see anything else making enough money to worry about. Don't get conned by fancy stuff.
                What i look for is a solid machine, a proven track record, Sharp Higher resolution ( which is the one thing i find clients ask for ), the number one, is consistent colour from start to finish ( I have only found one company that is good at this, with no fuss), service that is near-by and treat the service people with respect. You might be under the pump, frustrated, angry, but a service tech is there to help, keep them onside. Dont go for the cheapest opinion ! it will cost you in the long run. If a sales rep says " The price is so good, you could get two for the price of one of the competitors ....... Run !!!!!
                We have been a Xerox shop but we are moving from Versant to Ricoh’s 7210s. Quality and service where are primary concerns. We needed the 5th color and the Iridesse was out of our price range. The smooth screens of the Ricoh are Better than our Versant 2100 could ever do.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PricelineNegotiator View Post

                  Yeah, but isn't the output from Ricoh presses extremely glossy?
                  What I've noticed with existing customer site tests and from tests run at Ricoh's Boulder test facility is that our work seems flatter / more matte....which is actually fine with us. Even on gloss stocks. Our experience with iGen's are the result of the fuser oil glossy look.

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                  • #24
                    What price are folks seeing on a 9200?

                    I need Fiery 315 with 6 paper trays and a 3 knife trim.

                    $140k sound about right?

                    thx

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                    • #25
                      All that being said, make sure you understand the issues with front to back registration on the Ricoh vs the ColorPress. If adjusting registration is anything like our Ricoh 8120 it is a huge PIA. The 1000i is a few simple mouse clicks and 10 sheets of paper and it is dead on 99% of the time. Also, open the machines up and compare the build of each. Our 8120 is supposed to be based on the 7000 series (according to the sales monkey) and it would never stand up to the punishment of our 1000i.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Craig View Post
                        All that being said, make sure you understand the issues with front to back registration on the Ricoh vs the ColorPress. If adjusting registration is anything like our Ricoh 8120 it is a huge PIA. The 1000i is a few simple mouse clicks and 10 sheets of paper and it is dead on 99% of the time. Also, open the machines up and compare the build of each. Our 8120 is supposed to be based on the 7000 series (according to the sales monkey) and it would never stand up to the punishment of our 1000i.
                        Ricoh 7200e-series, 7200x and 9200-series all have automated registration and calibration, they also have real time front to back registration control which works while running a job.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Kunnajar View Post

                          Ricoh 7200e-series, 7200x and 9200-series all have automated registration and calibration, they also have real time front to back registration control which works while running a job.
                          I hear from the techs that this "automated registration" is still causing major issues with the 9200s. Basically they slapped a small form factor Linux or Unix box inside the machine to do this and it craps out here and there.

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                          • #28
                            My 2 cents is that service is always important. If you go Ricoh make sure you get the full TCRU training because this can save you not having to wait for the tech to show up if you need a, for example, PCU cleaning unit replaced. Making sure your parts get reconditioned is also an important part of the service to maintain minimal downtime.

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                            • #29
                              Somethings to watch out for !
                              We have also been offered the 9200 and 7200 instead of the Iridesse. I spent a whole day looking at the Ricoh machines. Good prints came off both, 9200 will print 470 gsm but there was a lot of noise going through the 9200.
                              They claimed it takes a couple of minutes to change the 5th colours, i asked them to demonstrate. It took 40 mins to do. Also need a bicycle pump to clean out the internal hoses inbetween colours so there is no cross contamination.
                              They only have a auto back to front registration, even then you need to tweak everytime. No auto color calibration, no auto color uniformity. It seems to me for the Ricoh machines you have to press or do three things to pressing one button for the iridesse.
                              Ricoh have developed their own RIP. The demonstrator wouldn't use it because it is full of bugs. They used a Fiery RIP, the lowest configured RIP. Remember that if you order the Ricoh, the fully configured Fiery is a lot dearer.
                              The big thing for me was, any banner printing over 700 mm long on both ricoh machines, you need to buy a option worth about $60,000 USD to make this happen! They can not discount this option because its made by a third party. With a Iridesse, it is a really cheap catch tray.
                              Yes 2 Ricoh machines might be cheaper than one Iridesse, but when i look at set up times, ease of use, 6 colors instead of 5, and a lot easier swap of colors than the Ricoh, i know what i would like.
                              PS Adding that option for 1.2 banner printing on the Ricohs , and fully configured Fiery, gets a price almost up to a Iridesse.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Digital Anthony View Post
                                Somethings to watch out for !
                                We have also been offered the 9200 and 7200 instead of the Iridesse. I spent a whole day looking at the Ricoh machines. Good prints came off both, 9200 will print 470 gsm but there was a lot of noise going through the 9200.
                                They claimed it takes a couple of minutes to change the 5th colours, i asked them to demonstrate. It took 40 mins to do. Also need a bicycle pump to clean out the internal hoses inbetween colours so there is no cross contamination.
                                They only have a auto back to front registration, even then you need to tweak everytime. No auto color calibration, no auto color uniformity. It seems to me for the Ricoh machines you have to press or do three things to pressing one button for the iridesse.
                                Ricoh have developed their own RIP. The demonstrator wouldn't use it because it is full of bugs. They used a Fiery RIP, the lowest configured RIP. Remember that if you order the Ricoh, the fully configured Fiery is a lot dearer.
                                The big thing for me was, any banner printing over 700 mm long on both ricoh machines, you need to buy a option worth about $60,000 USD to make this happen! They can not discount this option because its made by a third party. With a Iridesse, it is a really cheap catch tray.
                                Yes 2 Ricoh machines might be cheaper than one Iridesse, but when i look at set up times, ease of use, 6 colors instead of 5, and a lot easier swap of colors than the Ricoh, i know what i would like.
                                PS Adding that option for 1.2 banner printing on the Ricohs , and fully configured Fiery, gets a price almost up to a Iridesse.
                                What kinds of jobs do you run on over 700mm? I am just curious. I was having people wanting 27.5 inchs to do tri-fold brochures. You can do longer from the bypass tray but that tray only officially does 80# cover and I don't think you would want to do a ton through there.

                                On the 9200 you can calibrate on demand with the inline sensor and it also supports auto color correction during a run if you enable it and you can have it print register marks if you have space to do the image position correcting during the job. The 7200 only does registration and calibration with the inline sensor.
                                Warning I am a Ricoh tech.

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