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  • #16
    I'm getting $3,115 for 10,000 4x6 48pp self-cover 4/4 on 70# gloss aqueous, shipped to NYC.

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    • #17
      Europe still has a lot of mom & pop shops working out of a garage but they are dying at an extinction event level because they can no longer compete, the middle sized companies are still hanging on by the skin of their fore while complianing about rising costs. Investments are way down and that is a big red flag. The larger companies are still going strong but a lot of them have their stuff printed in cheap countries and only collate the half ware to the finished product.

      Just heard from a friend in Saudi Arabia that prepress shacks are selling 520x410 plates for 30 cents a pop.
      Last edited by Slammer; 04-03-2019, 03:16 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gregbatch View Post
        I'm getting $3,115 for 10,000 4x6 48pp self-cover 4/4 on 70# gloss aqueous, shipped to NYC.
        Thanks gregbatch. What would it be for 5k? Just so I have a range.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Slammer View Post
          Europe still has a lot of mom & pop shops working out of a garage but they are dying
          Originally posted by Slammer View Post
          The larger companies are still going strong but a lot of them have their stuff printed in cheap countries and only collate the half ware to the finished product.
          As an independent company ourselves I really hate to hear of small businesses going under. The companies we use are mid-level as far as I can tell, and they print on-site (our t/a are 5 days). I looked at cheaper European countries like Poland and Lithuania just out of interest, and they were a similar price to the UK or Germany, when all was said and done.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by LokiL View Post

            Thanks gregbatch. What would it be for 5k? Just so I have a range.
            5,000 - $1,906.00 I am sending you a message with the link. I have no affiliation. I use a number of companies for jobbing out work and this one happens to have a 4x6 booklet as a standard size. Not exactly the A6 size, but very close, so should be a rather painless adjustment to your layout.

            I think part of the problem you are facing is that most shops I found are not set up for a small booklet like that. The smallest for most I found was 5.5x8.5, so that makes me think they are producing a 5.5x8.5 piece and doing a heavy 3-sided trim to give you the size you requested. Lots of waste.

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            • #21
              That's helpful info about the large trim wastage. It's the sort of answer I've been looking for / wondering about.

              Thanks a lot for finding that quote for me. It's indeed about three times the prices in Western Europe.

              On your advice I'll broaden the types of specs I'm looking and see what difference it makes.

              Appreciate your help everyone.

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              • #22
                Wow, I thought that was a deal, can't believe Europe has pricing that much lower..

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                • #23
                  Are we just getting screwed over by paper companies here? I can’t see that being the case because if so you’d have companies buying container loads from Europe and saving money.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AP90 View Post
                    Are we just getting screwed over by paper companies here? I can’t see that being the case because if so you’d have companies buying container loads from Europe and saving money.
                    I highly doubt the paper companies are screwing us. If they were, we would see crazy things like paper prices being raised multiple times per year from each mill! They're totally being our best buds.

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                    • #25
                      It can also be an issue of finding the right printer for the project. This is the type of job we do every day. Our pricing FOB Green Bay, WI is approx. $1,450 for 5,000 and $2,200 for 10,000.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by LokiL View Post
                        We were looking at 90gsm, 5,000 to 10,000 qty, and yes saddle not perfect bound. Finished to standard A6, which is similar to the measurements above yes.

                        If there's anything weird about that spec for the US then I'd love to hear it, from anyone. But again, the price is 300% of what we pay in other Western countries, so it would have to be something quite poignant to make that much difference.

                        Thanks everyone for your interest in the thread. Just trying to get my head around the situation.
                        What are the specs? Paper (coated, uncoated, specialty such as groundwood?), imaging (4CP, PMS, Black?), size (spread and folded sizes) as an absolute minimum.

                        I'd love to give you an example quote from out here in the West. NYC prices tend to be much higher, but if I show something maybe someone in the NYC area would feel like showing what they'd do on pricing.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kheslin View Post
                          It can also be an issue of finding the right printer for the project. This is the type of job we do every day. Our pricing FOB Green Bay, WI is approx. $1,450 for 5,000 and $2,200 for 10,000.
                          That was really my point. If that's not their niche, it will cost extra. Good price. I will be adding you to my supplier list.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kheslin View Post
                            It can also be an issue of finding the right printer for the project. This is the type of job we do every day. Our pricing FOB Green Bay, WI is approx. $1,450 for 5,000 and $2,200 for 10,000.
                            This is a clear step forward, thank you Could you email me that quote please? loki [AT] instereomag.com

                            But yes, even in Europe you do need to find the right printer for the spec to make it work price-wise. My colleague assures me that he has tried around 30 companies though, so I was beginning to wonder if we were ever going to do better.

                            Originally posted by davarino View Post

                            What are the specs? Paper (coated, uncoated, specialty such as groundwood?), imaging (4CP, PMS, Black?), size (spread and folded sizes) as an absolute minimum.
                            Thanks for your help. What we usually print on is called 'silk' in Europe. It's somewhere between gloss and matte. However I'm willing to be flexible on this (and the other specs) if it means getting a cost-effective product in the US. Yes always 4/full color. The size as I say is A6, but we'd be willing to look at something else close to this if, again, it makes the product viable to make.

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