If you're not doing VDP, then the bundled will be just fine for processing speed. But take a look at the chart that @bcr posted to make sure you haven't become accustomed to using some of the features that the external one has that are not included or even available on the embedded (such as pad printing, tab insertion, hot folders, virtual printers, and APPE). The really big ones to me would be the hot folders (we use them for business cards since we do so many every day) and the APPE is almost a requirement these days to help with the various transparency issues. You may not realize you've been using it as it's probably toggled on by default in your current Fiery, but it really helps. Some of the external Fiery's also come with impose/compose. So if you're using that, then you'll need to get a new license, or see if they'll let you transfer over your old license.Does anyone have any opinions on bundled -v- stand alone RIPs?
Our current V180 has a stand alone one but all our previous machines had bundled ones.
Fuji and Ricoh are saying bundled is fine for my needs (think the biggest file I've ever sent is 5gb!) as I don't do memory hungry variable data work. And surely a new bundled RIP will be better that the seven year old EX 180 I have now!
Xerox agent is saying you need a stand alone one and doesn't want to quote on bundled.
All quoted so far are Fiery RIPS and include Fiery impose.
I know why does it have to be so confusing. I've been quoted for the fuji rip too and the difference is not enough for me to take the risk. I've heard contrasting opinions.More confused now!!
Just been speaking to another Fuji agent and they've said the Fuji Revoria Flow RIPs work a lot better with their machines than the Fiery especially when using the special colours. Can do all the imposition gubbins too. And as it's a standalone printer I'm not tied to a Fiery workflow with other machines in the equation.
Has anyone used a Revoria Flow RIP!?
Interested in this Is it much different in price to the Xerox equivalent?
Wow that’s quite substantial, any chance you could share what price you got the Fuji for
Hey, Id just urge you a little more caution when considering Xerox and their financial status. We jumped ship last year/this year because of what all was going on. We were on the edge of dumping them because of loyalty but after speaking with the tech's about how the service calls were being handled it was eye opening that they aren't heading in the right direction. We had 2 techs who serviced us (kinda rural midwest USA) and they were both amazing. Then our "best" one who normally handled our calls took early retirement/buyout option. He didnt want to put his retirement in jeopardy and not long afterwards they started having big layoffs. He saw the writing on the wall. Also, that big investment they got isn't necessarily what you would think it is if I read articles correctly. They got a $500 million "investment" because they sold off some of their IP or used it as collateral for the money.Change of plan!!
Through Xerox's bid-pricing system our agent has managed to pretty much matched Fuji's offering. And I know many of you will say Xerox are in trouble, but companies the size of Xerox don't just disappear (at worst they'll go into bankruptcy and re-spawn with new investment - and there's recently been big investment in them too).
Heart is ruling head a bit here I'll admit. We've been with Xerox through the same agent for 20+ years. And our agent has got us out of the shit many, many times especially during Covid.
And at 58 it may be my last investment of this size and I really can't be arsed learning a new companies quirks and failings.
We have decided against the five colour machine though. Yes the pink will make prints brighter but I don't see how I'd upsell that to my client base - they already think what we produce on our V180 is great. And the other gold/silver/clear/white/textured options come with big additional costs. It's not just a case of popping a different toner in. And the end product would still be poorer than proper foiling so we'll keep sending that to trade,
Same...
It seems Xerox are fighting back, similar to you got a revised price and it’s now a slightly better tco vs the Fuji. I’ve been with my agent about 10 years and was reluctant to move as they have been great after dealing with a few not so great ones over the years. The MD has literally driven over some supplies on a weekend to bail me out before. Moving was a risk I wasn’t sure I was prepared to take despite the price & I was worried about the service after looking into it. Now that the price is sorted it looks like I’ll be signing upChange of plan!!
Through Xerox's bid-pricing system our agent has managed to pretty much matched Fuji's offering. And I know many of you will say Xerox are in trouble, but companies the size of Xerox don't just disappear (at worst they'll go into bankruptcy and re-spawn with new investment - and there's recently been big investment in them too).
Heart is ruling head a bit here I'll admit. We've been with Xerox through the same agent for 20+ years. And our agent has got us out of the shit many, many times especially during Covid.
And at 58 it may be my last investment of this size and I really can't be arsed learning a new companies quirks and failings.
We have decided against the five colour machine though. Yes the pink will make prints brighter but I don't see how I'd upsell that to my client base - they already think what we produce on our V180 is great. And the other gold/silver/clear/white/textured options come with big additional costs. It's not just a case of popping a different toner in. And the end product would still be poorer than proper foiling so we'll keep sending that to trade,
