16pager

[motormount]

It's pretty embarrassing-cause it's pretty basic- but since i don't know it,i have to ask it.

How do you people impose a 16pager A4 brochure.

Our old Roland print's beyond 12.5 mm so we have to print it to a 880x650 size.
That is 12.5mm for gripper+(2x297mm) for the two pages + 6mm between the heads + a couple of mm for bleeds at the edge of the sheet which leave us with more than 3cm of nice parer going to the waste basket.

But i was thinking that even if our press printed sharp at 10mm,how should i impose it to a 610x860 sheet?

10mm for the gripper and 594mm for the two pages makes us 604mm.

That leave us with only 6mm to distribute between the heads and the edge of the sheet-i would say 4mm between the heads and 2mm at the edge of the sheet.

Isn't that too tight for the binder?

More than this,if the upper pages are all full color ads for example with bleeds extending the press sheet,isn't it hard for the pressman to print?

Thanks in advance!

ps Obviously i'm talking about sheetfeed presses!

 

[rich apollo]

There are about 1,000 ways to run this - four 4-pagers, two 8-pagers, a single 16-pager, 4-page cover with a parallel 12-page, low-folio lip, high-folio lap, head-to-head, head-to-foot, blah, blah, blah...

Talk to the bindery, get written instructions signed in blood.

With bindery, if you guess, you're wrong. If you do it correctly, you're wrong. You will always be wrong, but they'll "make it work".

Bindery concepts make me dizzy.

 

[motormount]

First,thank you for answering.

I know you can do this in a number of ways,but i'm only talking about a single 16-pager,21x29.7 trimmed.

As i wrote above our press prints beyond 12.5mm so we either print it on a 65x88 sheet,or scale it down to fit it on the 61x86 sheet.

I'm asking how do you treat this.

I guess it's more like a question targeted to europeans since i don't really know how common the A4 size is in the states,i think the standard there is the letter size,right?

I also wanted to find out if there is a ''nominal''/standard imposition for this very common size-and it's most usual folding scheme (fisrt page at the upper left of the sheet head looking down).

So let me rephrase.

You have a 16pages full color leaflet A4 trimmed-not half a mm less- which for the sake of speed and economy will be single folded,let's say at 130gr glossy stock and a sheetfeed eight up press that prints at 10mm.

How do you fit it in the 61x86 sheet?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Al Ferrari]

A4 16 page imposition

A4 16 page imposition

Here is an A4 16 page imposition on 880 x 650 with16 mm gripper margin. This folds up+up+up on a three unit folder. The vertical gutters are 16+16mm in the center and 4mm at the ends to yield a 12mm high folio lip. The head gutters are 4+4 mm.

Al

 

[motormount]

Thanks Al!

As i wrote above i make mine a little tighter-3+3 for head gutters-

But would you prepare an imposition like this

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24764669/16pr.pdf

on a 61x86 sheet with 10mm gripper,2mm+2mm head gutters,and 7+7mm vertical gutters-which leaves us with just 2mm foot bleed ?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Al Ferrari]

Your 16pr.pdf was generated from Preps. So if you have access to it what is it you need?

Al

 

[motormount]

Your 16pr.pdf was generated from Preps. So if you have access to it what is it you need?

Al

Yes Al,i have access to both preps and signa.

And as i wrote above,i impose such jobs on 65x88 sheets cause our press is not printing bellow 12.5mm.

My need is to know what is the common practise-if there is one- for jobs like that,when printed on presses that can print from 10mm.

I'd like to know if other shops print them in 61x86 sheets to achieve paper economy,with very tight margins and bleeds,without scaling down or trimming smaller the final product.

Thanks again for your answer and sorry if i didn't made myself clear enough.