DuqPrinter
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We have the smaller one - A1. They brought in the gx300 to see if the registration issue was due to it, but took it away later. It was okay with the A1 for about a month, now it is showing up again.
Canon C9075
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Hi Everyone - I am a new member. This machine hasnt been released in Australia / New Zealand yet. Am thinking of getting 9075. Would be happy to hear from current users, please.
TorontoPrint
New member
The imageRUNNER Advance Pro 9065/9075 series is a great light production unit. I have sold a number of them here in Toronto, and to date have had no issues, maybe because of the training and education that is provided with the sale. For example, the 9065 has many image quality and paper registration settings available to the end user, setting it apart from many other competitive devices. While certain uncoated stocks do not print the greatest, for every one that doesn't, I can show you one that looks amazing. In my experience, a lot of times it has to do with the amount of post-consumer recycled content in the paper. There are some really nice recycled stocks out there that are optimized for digital, so if greening your business is important, order a sample pack from your paper supplier and try some out. If seriously looking at the 9065 series, I would recommend the following: 1) I1 Process control. This is a great tool for creating custom icc profiles for your stocks. It is a relatively inexpensive option, but is worth it's weight in gold. 2) Take the time to register your paper stocks in the paper bank. That means grain direction, properties, and make sure to go through the registration process that calculates the amount of shrinkage for the second side of the page. Once a proper drawer alignment is done, and the registration calculation is completed and applied, your issues should be fixed. 3) Hammermill. Make sure you're using a good 28lb hammermill to do your calirations. In fact Hammermill makes a nice uncoated 100lb card stock that runs beautifully on the device. You may want to try a cougar super smooth, or lynx smooth card as well.
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The opinions above are my own, and may not be reflected by Canon Canada Inc, or Canon USA
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The opinions above are my own, and may not be reflected by Canon Canada Inc, or Canon USA
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DuqPrinter
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Maybe you can provide some insight on the issues I am having. I really want to love this machine, but I'm just not there yet. I've tried the hammermill color copy, and I just don't get them same results as with a coated sheet.
The most successful one i've tried so far is Futura Dull. It does feed consistently in both text weight and cover weight through drawers 3 and 4. It will not feed consistently from any of the pod deck drawers though. I will need it to feed 100# cover at some point, but haven't had the need to yet.
I find this odd since the pod deck is supposed to be air assisted and provides a straighter paper path than drawers three and four. We do have the proper gsm set for the paper and tried adjusting the fan level. Nothing seems to work.
Here is a list of the stock I've tried so far:
Unisource U-Digital velvet cover
Titan Dull cover
Endurance Dull cover
Futura Dull cover
Opus Dull cover
I am willing to use any of these, but none of them will feed through the pod deck. I can get text weight to run, but not cover. Can you make a recommendation on a dull cover stock? Are any of your customers having the same issue?
I don't think I am being unreasonable to ask for a paper to feed consistently that it is specified to run.
Thanks for your feedback.
The 9000 pro series are available in Aus now, have been a couple of weeks. Look very good machines to me.
Have you seen the machine, performance, different media, ..... . Any idea on the price and service rate?
I havent seen your reply to Bluestreak??
Performance is hard to tell at this early stage but they have taken a lot of tech from the imagePRESS which have proven very reliable on all types of media.
Quality looks very good to me.
as an independant dealer rep in the midwest, i have had the 9075 on my demo floor for quite a while. my experince with it has been as follows.
out of the box coated stock looked great-from the 5030 advance to the 9075 pro. regular paper, regular office type, looked horrid. and there were bad color issues with solid blues.
second month it got better with firmware updates and a new transfer belt. i think canon had Ricoh engineers translate the beta machines into production, cause it feel short. once the new belts came inand a second round of firmware came out it really came into its own. i refused to show it to my print shop clients, which is nice that i can do that as an independant dealer.
my most recent print shop client replacing a 242 told me that the colors were on par with the 242 two weeks ago. i had them bring thier most common, and most difficult files to reproduce, so i feel thier comment was legit. it still falls short of a 6501 on 100lb cover in my opion., but canon will work that out as well.
registration from the multi-drawer deck is tricky, but trained techs should be able to fix the issue. now i eventually sold that customer a c6000, cause they wanted the full capabilities of paper stocks, registration, ect. they felt the 9075 would not really be large net gain.
they evaluated a 9075, c6000, 6501, and C900.
out of the box coated stock looked great-from the 5030 advance to the 9075 pro. regular paper, regular office type, looked horrid. and there were bad color issues with solid blues.
second month it got better with firmware updates and a new transfer belt. i think canon had Ricoh engineers translate the beta machines into production, cause it feel short. once the new belts came inand a second round of firmware came out it really came into its own. i refused to show it to my print shop clients, which is nice that i can do that as an independant dealer.
my most recent print shop client replacing a 242 told me that the colors were on par with the 242 two weeks ago. i had them bring thier most common, and most difficult files to reproduce, so i feel thier comment was legit. it still falls short of a 6501 on 100lb cover in my opion., but canon will work that out as well.
registration from the multi-drawer deck is tricky, but trained techs should be able to fix the issue. now i eventually sold that customer a c6000, cause they wanted the full capabilities of paper stocks, registration, ect. they felt the 9075 would not really be large net gain.
they evaluated a 9075, c6000, 6501, and C900.
StrikTenn913
Well-known member
Hi Geoman - I was referring to the Ricoh PRO C900.
jotterpinky
Well-known member
We made a purchase of two light production color printers recently. We tried the KM6501 on a demo and also a Xerox 700. We liked the X700, colors really popped and it seems to print nice smooth solids with very little roller marking / streaking seen on our Xerox 250 (maybe give it time!) However we ended up purchasing a Canon 9065 due to cost contraints with the GX RIP. We were unable to try this on a demo but thought the samples and prints looked promising. To date after 4 months of struggle we are not happy with several things on this machine. To balance my comments we also purchased a Xerox 700 shortly afterwards and are running the two head to head.
1. Registration on the Canon 9065 is no-where near the registration on the Xerox 700. The tech has been able to dial it in to a tolerable amount of shift on front to back and even sheet to sheet variances but it doesn't hold a candle to the Xerox. It reminds me of the registration on our older Xerox 250 machine...maybe slightly worse.
2. The color off the Canon seems to carry shift towards the yellow end of the spectrum (the Xerox seems to have a more magenta shift). Our main problem with the color on the Canon is that we use 10-15 prints to get the color where we want (yes we calibrate at least twice a day on both machines). 90% of the prints off the Xerox look great the first print. By the way we have both RIPs set to use the same color profiles (Gracol 7 coated) and all the same options are checked...only difference is the output profile, it being different for both machines.
3. Canon is much slower on coated stock...we can finish a run of 12x18 80# cover 4/4 in 2/3 the time on our Xerox 700 (yes I realize it's rated slightly faster 65 vs 70 ppm)
4. We have had the Canon tech in nearly every other day since we bought it...upgrading software, fixing feeding in the oversize hi-cap drawers, playing with the color, clearing error codes etc. The Xerox technician has been in once in 2 months (we are putting about 60,000 impressions on each machine a month...less on the Canon since it's constantly down). We get great looking prints on the Xerox consistently and our customers have gotten into a habit of asking to have their jobs run on it instead of the other machine. We are now advising our employees to not start conversations that sound like.."if you can wait about 15 minutes I'll run another proof for you on our better machine it usually looks better"...we are seriously considering getting rid of the Canon and purchasing another 700.
5. This all being said I must admit that I prefer the user interface on the Canon above that of the Xerox. The scanning is more intuitive and flexible, the interface more friendly but probably only because I've used their black and white and older color equipment for ages.
Given everything I've seen between the two machines I would definitely recommend the Xerox 700 over the Canon...despite the additional cost we paid for the Xerox. I realize that this may sound like a pitch for the Xerox but is only my own personal experience using both pieces of equipment in a day to day print for pay environment. I would even recommend the KM6501 over the Canon 9065 based upon our three week demo we had with the KM. We had far less trouble in that three weeks that we've had in a week with the Canon.
The thing is I would prefer to keep a good relationship with our Canon dealer since we have a number of B&W engines we lease from them as well as some smaller Ricoh color equipment. However my business is suffering from this poorly made printer...I just wish Canon would clean up their act and not release these things until they are truly ready for prime-time.
1. Registration on the Canon 9065 is no-where near the registration on the Xerox 700. The tech has been able to dial it in to a tolerable amount of shift on front to back and even sheet to sheet variances but it doesn't hold a candle to the Xerox. It reminds me of the registration on our older Xerox 250 machine...maybe slightly worse.
2. The color off the Canon seems to carry shift towards the yellow end of the spectrum (the Xerox seems to have a more magenta shift). Our main problem with the color on the Canon is that we use 10-15 prints to get the color where we want (yes we calibrate at least twice a day on both machines). 90% of the prints off the Xerox look great the first print. By the way we have both RIPs set to use the same color profiles (Gracol 7 coated) and all the same options are checked...only difference is the output profile, it being different for both machines.
3. Canon is much slower on coated stock...we can finish a run of 12x18 80# cover 4/4 in 2/3 the time on our Xerox 700 (yes I realize it's rated slightly faster 65 vs 70 ppm)
4. We have had the Canon tech in nearly every other day since we bought it...upgrading software, fixing feeding in the oversize hi-cap drawers, playing with the color, clearing error codes etc. The Xerox technician has been in once in 2 months (we are putting about 60,000 impressions on each machine a month...less on the Canon since it's constantly down). We get great looking prints on the Xerox consistently and our customers have gotten into a habit of asking to have their jobs run on it instead of the other machine. We are now advising our employees to not start conversations that sound like.."if you can wait about 15 minutes I'll run another proof for you on our better machine it usually looks better"...we are seriously considering getting rid of the Canon and purchasing another 700.
5. This all being said I must admit that I prefer the user interface on the Canon above that of the Xerox. The scanning is more intuitive and flexible, the interface more friendly but probably only because I've used their black and white and older color equipment for ages.
Given everything I've seen between the two machines I would definitely recommend the Xerox 700 over the Canon...despite the additional cost we paid for the Xerox. I realize that this may sound like a pitch for the Xerox but is only my own personal experience using both pieces of equipment in a day to day print for pay environment. I would even recommend the KM6501 over the Canon 9065 based upon our three week demo we had with the KM. We had far less trouble in that three weeks that we've had in a week with the Canon.
The thing is I would prefer to keep a good relationship with our Canon dealer since we have a number of B&W engines we lease from them as well as some smaller Ricoh color equipment. However my business is suffering from this poorly made printer...I just wish Canon would clean up their act and not release these things until they are truly ready for prime-time.
TorontoPrint
New member
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I hadn't checked into the forum for quite some time. My customers have not had any of the POD Deck issues you are having. Not sure what the discrepancy is. I do have a couple of questions for you, and an answer on your cover stock.
-Have the techs done a proper drawer alignment on your POD?
-Is it Canon Direct (CBS in the US), or a Dealer doing your service)?
-What are your service guarantees with regards to performance?
-Were you provided with a Customer Expectation setting Document (CED). Are the stocks you're running within the guidelines depicted in the CED? If so I would say you had a pretty good case for having your POD Deck replaced.
Try this stock:
Hammermill 100lb Dull Cover Stock order#3320-2
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