Comparison: Oki Pro Series vs Digital Presses

Tarun Chopra

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I was wondering if anyone is using Oki Pro Series printers in a digital printing environment which has equipment like Konika Minolta / Xerox / Canon digital presses for comparison. My main interest is quality, cost of running and down time, speed is not very important. I am told that Oki printers have all user changeable parts and usually do not need any engineer intervention like other digital presses on a day to day basis and produce very high quality consistently.

Inputs from actual users will be of help.

Regards
 
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I can only comment on my experiences, which is with OKI Pro series and our Xerox DC250, DC12 and DC5252.

OKI printers will produce quality as good as the Xerox machines when they are new and all consumables are new. The problems come when OKI consumables are no longer new. Quality of print deteriorates once the consumables are about half way through their recommended life which means the only way to get the quality back is to replace the drums when they are only 50% used. If on a click contract, OKI will refuse to supply after a while as you will not be using enough clicks for the parts and if you are paying yourself, the costs per print make it uneconomical. Xerox supplies on the other hand usually produce consistent quality throughout their lifetime and will last as long as Xerox say.

OKI machines very rarely need an engineer call as most parts are user changeable. The problem again is that the parts will need changing before they are at the end of their life, which means the cost per print is no where near what OKI say if you want the quality. When engineers do come out, they expect the machine to be in an office, not a print shop and will say that the (poor) print quality is acceptable for the machine (yes, I talk from experience).

I could go on, but will just sum up. We had threaten legal action to get our OKI taken back as the quality was not consistent enough for pay for print. OKI machines are fine in an office, and maybe for a few proofs too, but once you start putting any volume through them, they cost too much to keep the quality good enough. We got a reconditioned Xerox DC250 for a similar price to the new OKI and the difference between the two was night and day.
 
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I have a Xante Ilumina - a Oki based printer - and agree with everything easiprint has stated.
Great for one off but not a solution by any means. Also, coated paper is a problem with the machines.
These are digital printers and not a press, but it does make a great single print proofer for my presses.
 
Thank you for sharing your experiences, but are these experiences limited to entry level printers from oki or with pro level printers?
 
Oki

Oki

Tarun,

The Pro Series is just another incarnation of the 9600 series introduced in 2005. Oki has introduced several 'new' models (9650, 9800, 9850, 3640, etc.) with minor tweaks, all based on the same engine and shell with few significant changes.

Interestingly, they have reduced the drum life from 42M on the 9800 series to just 28M on the Pro Series. This makes me think that much of the 'improved color and quality' is coming from them forcing you to replace the drums sooner.

It's a wonderful machine when matched to the appropriate job at hand, but it's not a production printer.

Dave
 
Thanks a lot for your inputs.

It's amazing how the website states that the duty cycle for "Pro color pro 930 digital color printer" is 150,000 pages per month, based on your inputs this printer will need almost six drum replacements a month to maintain consistent results!!! Incidentally I was not able to find the cost of drums on website for pro series printers?
 
Mine was Pro too. Incidentally, I had a 'normal' office OKI a few years ago (C9200 I think), which had pretty much the same problems as the new Pro series. I thought with the new printers aimed at the pro market they would be better, but they really have not come on very much at all.

damfino - very interesting point about the drum life being reduced. Kinda proves that OKI have been giving misleading figures for a while. In my opinion even their new life expectancy is a little optimistic for quality print!

Simon
 
- very interesting point about the drum life being reduced. Kinda proves that OKI have been giving misleading figures for a while. In my opinion even their new life expectancy is a little optimistic for quality print!

My true life numbers have been drums changed at 25-45% of life expectancy remaining and belts at 20% remaining to maintain good looking prints - they have learned the copier lesson and blame it on the paperstocks run but that was never mentioned upfront.
 
Drum Life

Drum Life

Drum life depends on the number of rotations required to print the sheet.

The internal counter cuts off the life of the drum based on these rotations, not sheets. Even though the life of the drums in my 9800's are rated at 42M, I consistently get 60-70M life because all I run are envelopes. The drum has to rotate about 3 times to cover a 11" sheet, but only once for a #10 envelope feed landscape (4.125").

For this reason you should always print 8.5 x 11" sheets landscape to reduce the drum rotations (8.5" instead of 11").
 
   
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