How are your color production click counters configured?

[smiller]

Hi,

I'm just investigating some of the new production options and I'm curious how clicks are typically configured on systems these days:

1) Single click regardless of A4/letter or A3/ledger sheet as in the past?
2) Separate click counters for Black and Color pages, or do you have a click per color plane like what is done for Indigo clicks? (i.e. 1 click for black, 2 clicks for black and cyan, 3 clicks for CMY, etc...)

I'm especially interested if the Ricoh's are different, including the C9100 and C7100 series:

Example: How are clicks handled on the C7xxx or other systems with a 5th color station?

I'm just trying to update myself on how things are typically configured and counted these days. Especially as production options are expanding.

Thanks,

Steven

 

[PrintIT]

Machines we've had:
Canon 6000vp: 1 Price for black only, another price for color. Same price no matter what sheet size.
KM 8000: 1 Price for black only, another price for color. Same price no matter what sheet size.
Xerox 1000's: 1 Price for black only, another price for color. Different prices for sheet size - 1 price up to legal (8.5x14) then a higher price for anything larger. For the 5th color on the Xerox (clear) we pay for the toner. If we run something that's ONLY clear it's a color click, but if it's just running inline with the other colors, it's all just 1 click.


No idea on the Ricoh's.

 

[MailGuru]

Xerox Versant 2100's: 1 click back only, 1 color click for cmyk for paper sizes up to 8.5 x 14, small additional add-on click for paper sizes larger than 8.5 x 14. However, for large paper sizes, the main color click plus the small ad-on click equates to about average what other vendors get for a large paper size color click that only charges 1 click regardless of paper size. (I hope you understood that, it seemed complicated when I was typing it...)

 

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For CMYK Ricoh's service agreement typically offers single click charge no matter what the stock size is up to 13x19 and is toner inclusive. Banner sheets aka stringers are 2 clicks. The 5th color toner is purchased by the customer separately with no additional click. Of course K only clicks at a lower rate. The Ricoh sales guy can supply you with a spreadsheet to help you calculate 5th color costs based on coverage.

Yes, I work for Ricoh.

 

[jrsc]

Xerox 2100, ricoh 901, ricoh 651: separate counters for black and color. single click any size.

Ricoh 7110x: separate counters for color or black, single click up to 13x19. sheets larger than 19 are 2 clicks. no click for 5th color, just papy for the toner. so if you print white or clear only there is no click. If you print cmyk + white or clear it is 1 click. I tried for 1.5 clicks for the large sheet but they couldn't figure out how to set the counters to that.

black machines: ricoh 1107, xerox d125, ricoh 8200: one counter for any size sheet.

 

[wonderings]

On our Versant 2100 it is 1 click for black and 1 click for colour, size does not matter, could be 13x19 or a small envelope, just 1 click. I think it is pretty universal for the 5th colour station, they are not part of your contract so no clicks for that as you buy the toner outright.

 

[kdw75]

On our C75 it is 1 click for color any size sheet and it is less than 4.5 cents per click. On our 2100 it is 1 click up to around 9x14.5, so you can do 8.5 x 14 with full bleeds. It goes by square inches. If you go over that it adds an additional fraction of a penny charge for color.

Why the click charges are more on the 2100 is a mystery to me, as it requires less service.