i1 Profiler/Publish & Legacy PM5 Charts

[Stephen Marsh]

A customer has (mistakenly) used a legacy Profile Maker 5 ECI 2002 chart that is supplied with the i1 profiler software.

The "incorrect" chart uses 1504 patches, is 332x240mm in size with patches 6x7mm in size. i1 Profiler is expecting a patch count of 1485 patches with a chart size of 332 x 208mm. I don't have a reference text file for the legacy PM5 single page i1iO chart using 1504 patches.

Does anybody know how to make this PM5 chart work with i1 Profiler? Do you have the appropriate reference text file that is using 1504 patches?

Looking in our i1 Profiler installation, I can find the legacy chart, however I can't find a matching reference .txt or .txf file to make this PM5 chart work with i1 Profiler.

Thanks in advance.


Stephen Marsh

 

[Paul Santer]

Hi Stephen, pm me your mail address and I will send it to you.

 

[rich apollo]

Here you go. This is a reference file from PM5 with the desired number of patches.

 

[buckeye]

Rich,

Doesn't that one have 1520? The reference file that I have, that has 1504 data sets, is named ECI2002CMYK i1_iO_1P.txt.

-Erik

 

[Stephen Marsh]

Thank you one and all!

I have to ask why does i1 Publish ship with the legacy PM5 1504 patch TIFF target - but does not ship with a supporting reference file to make it work (even if nobody here knows the answer)? The patch reference assets included with i1 Profiler use 1485 patches for ECI2002 charts. The other crazy thing is that i1 Profiler appears to support the 1504 patch chart with an included chart .TXF file! Why offer support for only one asset and not the other half required?!

The default patch size using the i1 Profiler .TXF file for this chart is 7x7.5mm. The legacy chart appears to be 6x7mm in patch size. One can of course change the patch size, however then the software puts up a notice that the smaller patch sizes can only be read in spot mode, not scan. Sigh...


Stephen Marsh

 

[Bondi_dan]

Hi Stephen,

A few months ago I decided to transfer my life from ProfileMaker to iProfiler. I have lots of legacy charts too and this is why I hung on to PM5 and MeasureTool, ColorPort.

iProfiler does support legacy charts, but it is tricky to work it out. Over a couple of days I looked at ALL the Training Videos - the answer is in there

Briefly:

Advanced --> CMYK Printer --> Profiling--> Patch Set (ECI 2002 CMYK --> Drag this on to Patch Set Icon at bottom) --> Test Charts (ECI 2002 CMYK --> Drag this on to Test Chart Icon at bottom).

Hit the "Next" arrow in right of screen - Now you have the familiar pattern and layout.

Select the Measurement and away you go !

Now for the BAD NEWS (have not tried with Ver 1.4.2 yet) - as of the previous version of software, iProfiler only reads legacy charts in SPOT MODE ! #$#@@$#@# !!! !

Despite owning an i1 Pro (Ver2) and i1 I/O Table (Ver2) I can only read legacy charts in SPOT MODE at the same speed as a SpectroScan. It will take about 40 minutes to read the ECI 2002 ! ! Unghh !

Leaves me speechless - hope it is better in v1.4.2.

I recommend taking the time to watch every training video.

Best regards,

Dan

 

[Stephen Marsh]

Thanks Dan, I am doing limited "charity" with a client that is not on our "official" support for this software and they have not watched the videos (they just jumped in and started using the software without any training or research). They had the legacy chart output and then they are trying to make it work! I have watched the videos and read tutorials and I have never had any problems working with the new native i1 assets, selecting an appropriate patch count and target, saving the target from the interface as a TIFF etc. It just appears to be the PM5 stuff that is painful.

I have loaded the 1504 patch reference text into the current advanced CMYK profiling workflow (load button rather than drag n drop). I have also found what I presume is the appropriate test chart asset from the list of targets (ECI 2002 CMYK visual 1P i1iO Scan PM5.txf). Once these two steps are completed, the default patch size is indicated as 7x7.5mm, this does not match the supplied legacy PM5 TIFF target, which uses 6x7mm target size. If the target step is changed to use the smaller size patches, the interface warns that only spot reading is available.

Despite all of the above that I have tested and advised them on, our client can't get any of this to work for themselves. I have not yet had the time to output the chart and double check what happens, with the hardware with these workflow settings (there is only so far that I am going to take this out of kindness).

They have the i1iO2, so I don't know if the new hardware is also complicating things.

Again, thanks to everybody for their help.


Stephen Marsh

 

[Bondi_dan]

Hi Stephen,

I read what you are doing and how you are doing it and hear you say it does not work.

The path I described (exactly as I described) works.

Regards,

 

[rich apollo]

Not that it has any real bearing on this discussion, but we had an opportunity to talk with the new Xrite product manager. A roomful of color management geeks told the poor guy how stinky ColorPort is and how much they wanted to have MeasureTool instead (I was surprised not to be the only one so attached to MeasureTool). Most interesting thing was that the Xrite folks were not surprised - they have heard this before.

If enough people express their devotion to MeasureTool, maybe it will influence the direction Xrite chooses.