Printer turns down work

[dabob]

Mmmm, not sure that's right. After all Hillary received almost 3 million more votes than Trump ( http://tinyurl.com/jop2spc )

The majority did speak - but having the majority vote doesn't mean one wins the election.

Yes . . . but I was quoting the Polls . . not the end results . .. I was commenting on the aggressive tactics of brow beating an opinion held by someone else that you dont agree with . . . it's easier to just stay quiet an not get beat on than get into an argument that you will never win with the person who starts the arguement by yelling at you (as if yelling is going to change the facts)

 

[MailGuru]

While I may laugh at a business later for not wanting to make a cake for (in this case, a same sex wedding), I would simply say OK to them and leave. I am quite certain there are plenty of other bakeries who would welcome the business. To the bakery that said no, I would view them as a roadblock and need to find another way to get the job done.

In a natural capitalistic society, that's the way it is supposed to work. If businesses were left alone, without any government intervention, these issues would naturally take care of themselves. The one that turns down work, will eventually feel the sting of loss of revenue, while, the one that takes on work, will flourish. As a consumer, if one printer doesn't want to do my job (take my money), that's ok with me, another certainly will. When I go to the grocery store to buy groceries, the cashier doesn't ask if my money came from printing an LGBT publication....................

 

[gordo]

In a natural capitalistic society, that's the way it is supposed to work. If businesses were left alone, without any government intervention, these issues would naturally take care of themselves. The one that turns down work, will eventually feel the sting of loss of revenue, while, the one that takes on work, will flourish. As a consumer, if one printer doesn't want to do my job (take my money), that's ok with me, another certainly will. When I go to the grocery store to buy groceries, the cashier doesn't ask if my money came from printing an LGBT publication....................

Does that depend on how large the society is that the consumer is in? I.e. that might work in a large city where there are multiple suppliers of any given service. But in a small rural society there may only be one supplier. So, the ratio of customer types to suppliers may be an important factor in whether the capitalist system functions as intended.

 

[MailGuru]

Does that depend on how large the society is that the consumer is in? I.e. that might work in a large city where there are multiple suppliers of any given service. But in a small rural society there may only be one supplier. So, the ratio of customer types to suppliers may be an important factor in whether the capitalist system functions as intended.

Point taken, but, in the "globally internet connected" world of today, I would think the days of buying your clothes, hardware, and supplies from the town's only "General Store/Trading Post/Printer" are long gone. LOL

 

[ruffsclive]

It is not unprofessional to turn down work, but what will certainly lead to some issues in business is saying yes when you can’t deliver. there are situations that may require a no, and when you do, it must be forward-looking and as positive as possible.

 

[Danny Whitehead]

I understand that.

If you do, you can't possibly think that one idiot harassing a woman because of her religion, then bragging about it online and getting his collar felt (not sure if he was ever convicted), is evidence that 'In general white people in the UK are being bullied at every turn'.

People think America is hugely racist. It isn't. There are approx. 3000-6000 white supremacist in America, but they get all the media attention.

Agreed. It's as foolish to characterise an entire nation, especially one as diverse as yours, based on its most extreme fanatics, as it is to blame a random Muslim woman for the Brussels attacks (as this man did).

I guess whats disturbing for some of us Americans is that in the UK people can simply be arrested for things like this. I would be extremely upset if someone could be arrested in America for their social media post because that would mean silencing from the government about your views, whether they might be racist, socialist, communist, capitalist, or any number of things.

They can be, and have been, including jail sentences for particularly distasteful humour.

Neither of our countries have unfettered free speech, and nor should they. If actions are deemed harmful, we make laws against them. What makes harmful words different? Most of the arrests made here regarding harmful words are of fanatics promoting terrorism. Internet communication plays a major part in radicalising people, and eventually, people being murdered. We should be EXTREMELY careful such laws aren't used to simply silence peaceful political opposition, but we shouldn't treat speech as some special category of behaviour with no accountability.

 

[AP90]

If you do, you can't possibly think that one idiot harassing a woman because of her religion, then bragging about it online and getting his collar felt (not sure if he was ever convicted), is evidence that 'In general white people in the UK are being bullied at every turn'.

I don't believe they are "getting bullied at every turn". But I do believe that theres a good chance more white people are subjected to these laws of being arrested for tweeting "insensitive" material than minorities are.

Agreed. It's as foolish to characterise an entire nation, especially one as diverse as yours, based on its most extreme fanatics, as it is to blame a random Muslim woman for the Brussels attacks (as this man did).

Agree with this.

They can be, and have been, including jail sentences for particularly distasteful humour.

Neither of our countries have unfettered free speech, and nor should they. If actions are deemed harmful, we make laws against them. What makes harmful words different? Most of the arrests made here regarding harmful words are of fanatics promoting terrorism. Internet communication plays a major part in radicalising people, and eventually, people being murdered. We should be EXTREMELY careful such laws aren't used to simply silence peaceful political opposition, but we shouldn't treat speech as some special category of behaviour with no accountability.

Major disagreement here. Even as a minority, I would never want people to be subjected to suppressed speech, regardless of their views. Im all for racist being able to gather and march, etc, because that also means that people for civil rights can gather and march, etc. I think generally, a lot of Americans are less accepting to government intervention in everyday life than most other countries are. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot. Give them a foot, they'll take a mile. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

Drawing the line somewhere can be seen in our gun laws today. While I understand most non americans cannot understand them, in America we have essentially drawn the line. We won't allow any more laws because it opens the door to more laws. Same applies to speech, etc.

 

[arossetti]

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant"

 

[turbotom1052]

It's certainly a "slippery slope" and, the business owner is caught right smack dab in the middle. As in the case of the UK printer, since most of his business comes from Christian organizations, taking that LGBT job could potentially jeopardize the majority of his business (those organizations could boycott his operation as a result). I'm am not a bigot, and, could care less whether the customer is LGBT or not, but, I think the government is wrong in forcing business owners such as the Oregon and other wedding cake bakers in to risking other (non-LGBT business) to comply with the law. Just goes to show, if you really want to screw things up, get the government involved.

Maybe dabob's right, just price it out of market so the customer goes to another vendor. Or, another option would be to just turn down the job for some other reason (I'm sorry, we're just slammed right now. The production schedule is full until January of next year........"

If you were to just "price the job out of the market" be sure that the quote leaves no paper trail. I can see a scenario like that, being used as evidence in a bias lawsuit, where now the contention becomes... you've overpriced your work because your biased against ___________s. Just fill in the blank!!! These days there are more than enough entries.
Im growing very weary of the current PC culture that has so much of society afraid to take a stand on anything these days, for fear of offending this group or that group. As mentioned in previous posts... My house my rules.

 

[dabob]

If you were to just "price the job out of the market" be sure that the quote leaves no paper trail. I can see a scenario like that, being used as evidence in a bias lawsuit, where now the contention becomes... you've overpriced your work because your biased against ___________s. Just fill in the blank!!!

Pricing by demand . . . "I was just really busy during that time period . .. so I raised my prices on customers that were new so that I could continue to serve my existing customer base properly. We would have had to bring in a 2nd shift on Saturday night to get that job out in the time frame they wanted"

Your not refusing to print it . . . they are refusing to pay the price required . . . .

There are certain jobs that we price not to get currently but they are jobs that are insanely complex and if the customer wants it that badly we want to make a lot of money when we accept it. We also have customers that buy an airplane seat for a carton of printing going across the company . . . the freight rates make my arse pucker (4 figures) . . . yet they pay the price.

 

[turbotom1052]

In the litigious society in which we currently live, all one would have to do is to PERCEIVE some form of discrimination. Depending on the ACLUs current caseload, or even just a young attorney, looking to make a name for themselves, a case could be made. All sorts of evidence could be found, or manufactured to support a case for discrimination. Hell, even innocent people guilty of no legally defined discrimination can fall victim to the PC police, and ensuing judiciary. Imagine the evidence they could compile if you were truly discriminating as defined by our current standards. We as a nation (United States) can't even deny entry to foreign invaders, under our current judiciary, lest we be called Islmaphobic, or racist, or bigoted, or biased.
You can call me any one of them things, but if I had it my way Id be calling myself SAFE.

 

[dabob]

Careful tom your getting awfully political here . . . but its the lounge so it's ok . . . but you never know who else might be reading/listening?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9ZlY6DzVo

 

[turbotom1052]

Careful tom your getting awfully political here . . . but its the lounge so it's ok . . . but you never know who else might be reading/listening?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9ZlY6DzVo

Bob,
thats exactly what Im talking bout. Im tired of being careful, and censoring myself. One of the best things ive found about retirement is that I don't have to anymore.

 

[PricelineNegotiator]

Bob,
thats exactly what Im talking bout. Im tired of being careful, and censoring myself. One of the best things ive found about retirement is that I don't have to anymore.

Be careful saying that around a British person, they love censoring themselves and being controlled. A wise man once said "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."

 

[turbotom1052]

Be careful saying that around a British person, they love censoring themselves and being controlled. A wise man once said "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."

was that Waters or Gilmor that wrote that line?

 

[D Ink Man]

Sorry, I have been away. But if they cannot accept K-C-M-Y I would turn them down too.

D

 

[PricelineNegotiator]

was that Waters or Gilmor that wrote that line?

Not sure. Gilmour's time in the band was the best in my opinion, always loved his guitar solos. I'm in my mid 20's, so it's something I never got to experience in its glory days as it were.

 

[turbotom1052]

Not sure. Gilmour's time in the band was the best in my opinion, always loved his guitar solos. I'm in my mid 20's, so it's something I never got to experience in its glory days as it were.

my understanding is that in his most prolific songwriting days, Syd Barret wrote enough material to keep Pink Floyd in music long after his meltdown. Ill have to look at my vinyl copy of Dark Side to see who gets the credit. Imagine that.... ive still got a vinyl collection!!!

 

[Slammer]

. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot. Give them a foot, they'll take a mile. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

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But doesn´t that work both ways? At what point must the government step in and say "enough is enough" A Muslim hate preacher was denied entry into Switzerland just recently, or people like holocaust deniers can be jailed in Germany for their views and opinions. Or the surveillance of so-called "Reichsbürger," those who claim that the Bundesrepublik of Germany is a lie. Is that oppression of free speech, censorship or refusal to accept dissent or does it protect ordinary citizens like you and me?

 

[turbotom1052]

But doesn´t that work both ways? At what point must the government step in and say "enough is enough" A Muslim hate preacher was denied entry into Switzerland just recently, or people like holocaust deniers can be jailed in Germany for their views and opinions. Or the surveillance of so-called "Reichsbürger," those who claim that the Bundesrepublik of Germany is a lie. Is that oppression of free speech, censorship or refusal to accept dissent or does it protect ordinary citizens like you and me?

Its the protection of ordinary citizens to be the first and foremost responsibility of any government. When we begin to place the rights of non citizens above the rights of citizens a countries society begins to fragment. You need look no further than Europe to see how globalization has been responsible for the individual members of the EU to decline. North American countries will soon follow if current PC trends continue.