Ricoh 7100/9100's - Your impressions and vs Xerox CP 800/1000's (Also Indigo? Canon?)

[urville]

I'm looking for Operator impressions on the Ricoh 7100 and 9100 series machines, and especially direct comparisons to the Xerox 800/1000's. We have the 800 and 1000 and we've been having a lot of issues, especially since CREO went away. Either way we will be on Fiery, i know that. Please no Ricoh or Xerox agents, staff or paid speakers. looking for the hand son real deal after a million clicks real world thing here!

We're also kind of looking at Indigos and Canons but not nearly as much, still wouldnt mind hearing your impressions especially in coparison. even if you love your Xerox! i need the truth here.

 

[joshlindsay]

Hi Urville,

Unfortunately I can't help with experience on Ricoh machines however we've had issues since moving to Fiery on a 1000i and V2100.
Ours was with trail edge bleed or edge density as I've now heard it called and can be resolved by settings on our new GX Server (made by Xerox) on V2100.

What problems have you been having?

 

[arossetti]

When I looked at the 9100 before it was released the paper path looked like an exact copy of the 800/1000. Made me wonder if they just waited for the intellectual property to expire then made a copy.

I was not impressed by the resources behind Ricoh. They didn't have the experts you could draw on like Xerox does.

 

[urville]

Hi Urville,

Unfortunately I can't help with experience on Ricoh machines however we've had issues since moving to Fiery on a 1000i and V2100.
Ours was with trail edge bleed or edge density as I've now heard it called and can be resolved by settings on our new GX Server (made by Xerox) on V2100.

What problems have you been having?

We had that issue. We cant get color to stay... period. Cant get it stock to stock. Anything under 80# wrinkles. Issues in the Fiery. It's madness. Color is just all over the place. More issues but I cant remember them. Had lots of specialists in both EFI and the machine in and no one knows whats going on. The EFI guys, you ask them questions about color and workflow and they have no idea. Creo was for printers, Fiery feels very engineered but like they didnt really have operators involved at all. The machine itself is just a hot mess. Igens, 800, 1000... Cant say we really loved any of them.

 

[urville]

Oh, and a tech came in and we could run nice smooth toner across Accent and Cougar all day, now its mottled and banded and no one can get it back and they guy in question cant remember what he did.

 

[urville]

When I looked at the 9100 before it was released the paper path looked like an exact copy of the 800/1000. Made me wonder if they just waited for the intellectual property to expire then made a copy.

I was not impressed by the resources behind Ricoh. They didn't have the experts you could draw on like Xerox does.

Huh... We did a solo presentation at the plant and i cant say any of the Ricohs were anything like the colorpress 800 or 1000 at all in the paper path, definitely not in the imaging stage either, but thats a give

Plus the 8000/1000 is only about 5-7 years old. I think the IP lasts way longer.

 

[Shawnd]

I have 2 Ricoh 7110's with a combined click of over a million in 1 year, I do not know how they compare to the 800/1000 but they have been doing the job for us, service has been spot on as well in our area.

 

[urville]

When I looked at the 9100 before it was released the paper path looked like an exact copy of the 800/1000. Made me wonder if they just waited for the intellectual property to expire then made a copy.

Are we talking about the Colorpress 800 and 1000? i was mulling this post and I realized.... for one the Xerox is left to right while the Ricohs are right to left and the X has a path that come in diverts below the drier/cooler and mechanically bounces back. Its a very long path, other than the second side return its pretty straight through. The ricoh is, like all digi's (Canon, Minolts pretty straight through as well, but what i loiked about it was that it onyl has to go about a 1/4 of the distance to back in for reverse side.

Interesting side note. Xeikon, as if the name didnt give it away, was actually involved in a suit over IP, and to this day still uses the tech it was charged with stealing, and from what I recently saw, has not updated it one bit since the 70's.

 

[arossetti]

I don't think the path direction matters but if you ignore the actual fuser and cooling unit designs and look at the path they seemed very similar to me.