Versant 3100 or Ricoh 7210e Used or New

BSK

Member
Hi,
In February we finish up a 5 year lease on a Xerox C70 (thank goodness that is over!!). This year we were hit hard with the Covid-19 and our printing business has taken a hit to say the least. Since our printing business is not doing well during the pandemic we are leery about leasing a new piece of equipment. I have see some good deals on Wirebids for used machines both the Versant 3100 and the Ricoh 7110e (would prefer the 7210e over the 7110e) The question I have to the group is which of the machines is the better buy and will Xerox or Ricoh be willing to put the machines under contract? We would be looking for something with low meter clicks of course. Thanks in advance for any replies:)

Regards,
Bryan
 

msaeger

Well-known member
Hi,
In February we finish up a 5 year lease on a Xerox C70 (thank goodness that is over!!). This year we were hit hard with the Covid-19 and our printing business has taken a hit to say the least. Since our printing business is not doing well during the pandemic we are leery about leasing a new piece of equipment. I have see some good deals on Wirebids for used machines both the Versant 3100 and the Ricoh 7110e (would prefer the 7210e over the 7110e) The question I have to the group is which of the machines is the better buy and will Xerox or Ricoh be willing to put the machines under contract? We would be looking for something with low meter clicks of course. Thanks in advance for any replies:)

Regards,
Bryan

If you want a contact it's going to be up to the local office if they want to take it on or not. You can alway do time and materials too.

Nothing wrong with the 7110 there are still many of those in the field.
 

Ynot_UK

Well-known member
I have see some good deals on Wirebids for used machines both the Versant 3100 and the Ricoh 7110e (would prefer the 7210e over the 7110e) The question I have to the group is which of the machines is the better buy and will Xerox or Ricoh be willing to put the machines under contract?

My first recommendation would be you don't source a machine yourself. Whilst the price on an online auction site may look appealing, more often than not, they will be a poisoned chalice. I recall someone on here a while ago picked up a low mileage KM C6085 on ebay or similar for what initially looked to be a gift, which turned out to have the controller missing, dev had gone bad, etc. and six months later he'd still not printed a single page on it.

If you source a machine and ask either the OEM or a dealer to put it on PPC, first they will charge you to examine and report on the machine, giving you a long list of what needs to be replaced to bring it up to standard to put on contract. This is likely to run in to thousands of dollars. Also, taking this route, you will never secure the best PPC rate, as contingency will always be built in.

Instead, approach a dealer with whom you have a good existing relationship, or a trusted recommendation. Discuss the machine/s you're interested in and let the dealer source you a machine. They will know exactly what they're looking at, probably look at a few machines, assess them and pick you the best one, then quote you a purchase price factoring in what they need to replace. The machine will then be set up at the dealer's premises, they will clean and refurbish it, replacing parts as necessary and testing it extensively. A couple of weeks later, the dealer will deliver and install the machine at your premises, just like if you were buying a brand new machine. You should also be able to secure a competitive PPC contract, doing it this way.

The extra few thousand dollars you'll pay for the machine will be one of the best investments you'll ever make.
 

Shawnd

Well-known member
Not sure if they are still running it or not but Ricoh had 0% financing a few months back. I was able to bring down my payments considerably and get a new 7200e with lower click rates.
 

BSK

Member
My first recommendation would be you don't source a machine yourself. Whilst the price on an online auction site may look appealing, more often than not, they will be a poisoned chalice. I recall someone on here a while ago picked up a low mileage KM C6085 on ebay or similar for what initially looked to be a gift, which turned out to have the controller missing, dev had gone bad, etc. and six months later he'd still not printed a single page on it.

If you source a machine and ask either the OEM or a dealer to put it on PPC, first they will charge you to examine and report on the machine, giving you a long list of what needs to be replaced to bring it up to standard to put on contract. This is likely to run in to thousands of dollars. Also, taking this route, you will never secure the best PPC rate, as contingency will always be built in.

Instead, approach a dealer with whom you have a good existing relationship, or a trusted recommendation. Discuss the machine/s you're interested in and let the dealer source you a machine. They will know exactly what they're looking at, probably look at a few machines, assess them and pick you the best one, then quote you a purchase price factoring in what they need to replace. The machine will then be set up at the dealer's premises, they will clean and refurbish it, replacing parts as necessary and testing it extensively. A couple of weeks later, the dealer will deliver and install the machine at your premises, just like if you were buying a brand new machine. You should also be able to secure a competitive PPC contract, doing it this way.

The extra few thousand dollars you'll pay for the machine will be one of the best investments you'll ever make.
Ynot_UK,
Sounds like good advice. Thanks for the reply!
 

BSK

Member
Not sure if they are still running it or not but Ricoh had 0% financing a few months back. I was able to bring down my payments considerably and get a new 7200e with lower click rates.
Shawnd,
Would you mind sharing your #'s on the lease? Also, what price on click charges are you getting?
 

tngcas

Well-known member
copiersonsale.com - they sell refurbished machines that Xerox guarantees they will put under a contract.
 

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