DC 6060 oiling problem??

[kristianeyman]

so i have had this problem for quite some time. oil is not getting distributed correctly and the metal rollers are becoming contaminated with toner? I have changed the thermostats and broken 3 fusers in 5 months?? waiting on a double spring for the wick, but any other reccomendations? i have no hair left!! thanks, kristian.

 

[Milo Wilson]

I highly recommend switching to the Docucolor 8000 fuser oil. I have dealt with this exact problem and the thinner oil evenly distributes onto the fuser faster and smoother. I guarrantee this will fix the problem if all the other alignments have been done to the fuser assembly.
If you have any other questions call me at 714-292-6912

 

[kristianeyman]

ok, so changed out all oil in the 6060 to the 8000 oil. replaced the wick, spring, and filter as well. it ran good for about 30 impressions and then started messing up again? all i can think is maybe the donor assembly or rollers need to be replaced?? please any help will be GREATLY appreciated, kristian.

 

[GusG]

I highly recommend switching to the Docucolor 8000 fuser oil.

Milo, would you recommend this for the DC 2060 as well? And DC 12?

 

[Milo Wilson]

Doc 12 not necessary due to the speed of the printer, but if you have done all of the adjustments on the 2060 fuser and are still having fuser offsetting then it might be a good time to switch to the 5000/8000 fuser oil.
I had this problem on 2 6060s and I double checked all the adjustments, springs, fuser belt and nip adjustments and was still giving offsetting that's when I decided to try the thinner oil. You might want to check the oiler assy also, there are some assy's out there that are bad from Xerox and are noted in the searchlite as such.
I think that the fuser rolls are being made to be a universal fit for the 5000 and 8000 which use a thinner oil. So when you get a fuser roll that can go on the 2045/6060 i think it needs the thinner oil due to manufacturing issues. Just my two cents, I don't know 100%.

 

[GusG]

Doc 12 not necessary due to the speed of the printer

But do you think it would be a problem to use the 5000/8000 oil in a DC12?

Reason I'm asking is that being based in Uganda I have to import these things myself, so it's easier for me to stick to one product for all my machines if it's doable. At the moment I use 2060 oil (Fuser Agent II) in my DC12s as well.

 

[UberTech]

ok, so changed out all oil in the 6060 to the 8000 oil. replaced the wick, spring, and filter as well. it ran good for about 30 impressions and then started messing up again? all i can think is maybe the donor assembly or rollers need to be replaced?? please any help will be GREATLY appreciated, kristian.

When I was working on them you would change the oil blade and doner roll with the oil as the paper dust in the oil stuffed the oil blade and donor roll. Once they are broken they are broken, bit like worn wiper blades on your car. I would be looking for a donor roll and blade, probably flush the oil out again and clean the whole lot out as much as possible, go over it with a fine tooth comb as any residue will wreck your new blade and donor roll.

 

[kristianeyman]

ok so this is getting a b it frustrating! changed the oil and had a minor problem with a piece of paper not getting all the way to the fuser? and today printing front and back a piece of paper got stuck in the fuser like an acordian and stripped the fusor roller AGAIN!!?? can someone give me some insight rather than replacing the whole module? thanks, kristian.

 

[OzTech]

Could it be the Oil Pump by chance?

Cheers

 

[kalindd]

Sorry, but from your post I'm sure, did you or did you not change the oil donor assy?
Where exactly is your roll getting damaged? I mean inboard in the center or outboard, or the fingers are getting into the roll?
Like I said change the donor roll assy, check or change ext.heat roll ( it's getting very dirty and is taking all the oil from the fuser roll).
Wick and plate were changed, right?.
Check visually, look inside while running DC330 - 010-006 that oil is dispensing even from the Oil Pipe. It is very common for the pipe to get stuck with paper dust and oil is not coming out from the last 2-3 holes, clean it with hot water and soap.Check the oil pump is working.
Check fuser NIP if it's not even you roll might get damaged.
Check "pad material" inside the fuser belt. If it is damaged you will have uneven pressure and again your roll might get damaged.
Check both bolts that are used as hinge when you are breaking your fuser to change the fuser roll, they can get loose and again you will have uneven pressure from the roll.

Good luck. And please post the results.

 

[HeRBie]

How about the stock you're using?

How about the stock you're using?

A different angle... we had the same problem with our 6060 and much of the answer for us was changing the paper/card we were running through it. Because we use stock that we run on the presses (ie. offset coated and uncoated stock, not special Xerox stock), the stock had a tendency to absorb the excess oil.
Eventually we had to give the 6060 away, it apparently had a bent chassis, so every bit of it seemed to wear, or break, we swapped for an 8000, and that did away with the oil problem, even with our offset stock.
Good luck anyway, understand the frustration.

 

[EASYdoor]

A different angle... we had the same problem with our 6060 and much of the answer for us was changing the paper/card we were running through it. Because we use stock that we run on the presses (ie. offset coated and uncoated stock, not special Xerox stock), the stock had a tendency to absorb the excess oil.
Eventually we had to give the 6060 away, it apparently had a bent chassis, so every bit of it seemed to wear, or break, we swapped for an 8000, and that did away with the oil problem, even with our offset stock.
Good luck anyway, understand the frustration.

We'll off-course newer machines have much better fusing systems, it's a big difference especially when you're running coated stock - dc5000/7000/8000 can run all day long older generation will break down sooner or later with coated stock.

When i was running dc2060 and 6060, i've used better paper - i know it costs more, but hey when you calculate all the fusers that you've broke - it's obvious that it's better and cheaper to run high quality paper - and one more tip, avoid cutting the paper on guillotine, because the older machines are very dust sensitive.

 

[kristianeyman]

ok thanks everyone for the help and advice on this! come to find out a recent hire who had put on his application that he had experience with a 6060, did not! he put in 135gram paper and sent it to the rip with 151-200, and the paper tray as well for 151-200. he said he "thought" it would be ok!? I told him as i was firing him that when he buys his own machine he can do whatever he wants! i think the problem is that I keep running into human error, operators that dont keep an eye when doing head to tow work and such. since changing out the fuser oil I have not had a problem. i did not change out the donar assembly, but did change out the wick, filter and wick spring as the older one was spent. hopefully from here out i will not have much problems but just in case i bought a spare fuser roller to have on hand!

 

[316]

This problem was happening there in Australia a few years ago and as a tech i was changing fuser rollers, donor roller, blades, wicks, and pumps. And getting round 2500 + 10,000 life from fuser rollers when there life should be 40,000k.
Now iam getting around 130,000k and more life from my fuser roller and ect.
And thats with running up to 300gsm on a day to day base.
I dont know about you guys but here there are Xerox bulletins on this 24/7 with mods.
For Starters first thing i would NOT be doing is putting thinner oil in m/c this was the main problem with the fuser the new oil released from xerox to fix this problem was part No CWAA0456 its a more darker thicker yellow oil with a black lable on it.
Second. make sure all your pipes are clean and not blocked and your oil pump is working that you has good oil flow oil pumps can slow down causing less oil reaching the fuser roller.
Next change NVM 777-051 from 3000 + 10000. this is your pump time speed it will speed up your oil pump.
Release the pressure off the external heat roll that is catching all your oil Dont freak out by doing this the toner build up you seen on it is caused by lack of oil to your fuser roller and its trying to clean the roller but that build up repeats up into your donor roll causing even more problems.
Next. there have been three different top fuser roll released one is a light red looking roller DONT use this roll this is shit, second one was dark grey looking not bad, number three is the best a very dark brown colour use this one and make sure you have matching rollers for top and lower mixing them up causes big drama's
Next. your donor roll is it orange? if not get one this a the biggest problem fixer. the part number here is 22K62370.
That should fix your problems. there are bulletins on bigger oil pipes oil pans ect ect. i would of posted them but iam new to this forum and dont see how i can do this. If intrested you can send me your e-mail and i will send them to you.
Hope this helps you guys out.

 

[316]

the info i gave was for dc12 and can be used for info on 6060

 

[sachint_in]

i have 2045 and i have same problam and i was replased 3 fuser roller in a month

remove 1st metering blade in oiler assly.
2nd metering blade is sufficiant.

fuser agent II is good for that.