error 033

[pam_add]

recently we got this error in every end of the film roll on avantra 44s , the machine after image the sheet it's forget that and show up this error , to solve this we are open bridge and waste one imaged film in drum and some few meters raw film .

any sound?

 

[VladCanada]

Yeahhh... that's a weak point of all (especially on-line) Avantras, and at 44th model - you loose more media at the end of roll than Av25-30 because the drum size.

The explanation of your situation: Normal sequence of operations
Av44 just finished the page/color and advanced it to the Bridge to start new imaging.
When next page/color done, Av44 has to:
Advance the rest of previous page (most part of it remained inside the Bridge) exactly to the Cutter;
Cut the page;
Pull that cutted page into Processor;
Advance another imaged page into the Bridge;
Start new imaging.

But roll is over... one image is inside the Bridge, Avantra pulls the end of page to the Cutter, input Media Present Sensor creates a signal "No media!" error 33
And you loose: one page in Buffer + whole drum size of film + rest of film from Media Sensor to the Drum input slot = a few meters.

What could you do to avoid that loss... ?

Lucky case: The Cassette is empty but Film still covers the input Media Sensor - enough to advance and cut one page and flush the rest of film with the second page into the Processor.
The smaller your page size the more luck to save imaged pages.
If you use "Fill Drum" of "Ganging" options - no luck at all.

 

[pam_add]

we usually get this error 033 every 4-5 roll change , and the regular error was 04
recently we get only 033 , and our jobs are not in same size sequense .

by the way we have in same period other problem that our slot B film tension was change and we start geting miss registrated films so we move to slot A waiting to calibrate slot B tension .

can i bypass the input media sensor switch in the end of the roll , so i get at least two 8up films , in all cases i'm lossing them .
in any senario of paper jam i can remove the jam later .

 

[VladCanada]

To check the supply roller nip pressure perform the following
test:
1. Unload the media from the system and remove both supply
cassette (if installed).
2. Cut the smallest width size of media (film/paper) that the
customer is using. The length that should be cut is
approximately 24 inches.
3. Insert the piece of media cut in step 2 into whichever
spindle A/B is opened (Not Nipped).
4. Change the active slot A or B.
5. The media should
now be nipped between the drive roller and either spindle
A/B roller.
6. Hold the end of the media tight with one hand and pull
the media, slightly holding rollers with another hand
7. If the rollers are kept turning, they are providing
enough force on the media. If the piece of film moves,
and rolles don't turn - they should be replaced.
8. Perform the same test on the other spindle, if dual spindle
system.

NO, you can't bypass that media sensor.
8UP job has exactly the drum size. See the last line in my message above.

 

[pam_add]

i try your steps and the result is the rollers are kept turning ..
but i still have a problem with spindle B huge problems like 0.5cm misregistration , distortion film ...
our tech guy says it's from courupted parameters in the dec
any idea ?

 

[VladCanada]

I hope you checked a few (left side, center, right side) spots of roller as minimum.

You know the idea: you need AGFA seviceman or experienced freelancer.

 

[DonBlock]

Pam,

I'm fairly certain the the issue is not corrupt parameters in the DEC. Registration issues are almost always a mechanical issue if it is happening on 1 cassette and not the other. .5cm is quit a bit off on the registration, and when you say distortion film, in which direction are you referring. The width of the film or the length as it goes in the drum?

 

[pam_add]

i notice a huge 0.5 cm distorion on the fast scan , and little bit distorion in slow scan mode too , also i have cut problem the cuutter begins cut from the image area sometimes .
somtimes cut about 1cm from image area , and sometimes 0.1 cm .

this is not strange . and all this happining when i use just one slot , the other is ok .

 

[DonBlock]

It sounds like the Supply Cassette motor for B may be the issue. It may not even be bad, they seem to sometimes start to come loose on the inside and the screws need to be tightened down. Also, you may want to try changing supply cassettes is you have not already done so to make sure the cassette is working properly. There is also an outside chance that the motors need to be calibrated, there is a timing difference between the A and B cassettes.

If running a negative, make a 5% screen the entire size of the drum to check for hot spots. This would indicate that the film is not staying on the drum which will elongate the job at that end.