Fuji vs Kodak Plates
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Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
We use both brands one each in two different plants. Info below is approximate but is from our trenches.
My plant uses Fuji. I feel their plate is top draw, consistent; virtually never fails. The chemistry is long running (~3000 sq m per batch); at about 6-8% of plate cost and runs clean.
Our other plant uses Kodak and has six times my plant's volume. They run two processors and one is cleaned each week on alternating weeks. To me, I am surprised at this frequent a cleaning; some people call their chemistry 'dirty'. The system also uses more (~1500 sq m per batch); at about 13% of plate cost of three different chemicals, so you can see the cost of plate processing is a bit higher than the Fuji chemistry which is only two chemicals.
We often run our sister plants Kodak plates and find that three times is the maximum we use them before problems sometimes arise, so we made that an sop but understand that only our shop.
Hope this helps muddle you even more than you likely are now!
John
We use both brands one each in two different plants. Info below is approximate but is from our trenches.
My plant uses Fuji. I feel their plate is top draw, consistent; virtually never fails. The chemistry is long running (~3000 sq m per batch); at about 6-8% of plate cost and runs clean.
Our other plant uses Kodak and has six times my plant's volume. They run two processors and one is cleaned each week on alternating weeks. To me, I am surprised at this frequent a cleaning; some people call their chemistry 'dirty'. The system also uses more (~1500 sq m per batch); at about 13% of plate cost of three different chemicals, so you can see the cost of plate processing is a bit higher than the Fuji chemistry which is only two chemicals.
We often run our sister plants Kodak plates and find that three times is the maximum we use them before problems sometimes arise, so we made that an sop but understand that only our shop.
Hope this helps muddle you even more than you likely are now!
John
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
Run length is the problem, we had a set made for the web and they starting
breaking down at 50000 impressions. They were unbaked plates , but they do not
come close to the rated run length. We are now trying the new energy elite plate,
we will see how they run.
Run length is the problem, we had a set made for the web and they starting
breaking down at 50000 impressions. They were unbaked plates , but they do not
come close to the rated run length. We are now trying the new energy elite plate,
we will see how they run.
SteveAgfa
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Re: Fuji vs Agfa vs. Kodak Plates
Re: Fuji vs Agfa vs. Kodak Plates
Uncle Sam
(You weren't born in Arlington MA were you?
That's where the REAL Uncle Sam (Wilson) was born!)
It's interesting you note Fuji's no bake plate, but you neglect to mention Agfa's PIA/GATF InterTech Award-winning :Energy Elite plate. So, I'll do it for you. ;-)
http://www.gain.net/eweb/DynamicPag...&wps_key=CB583D17-B2AB-485F-BABC-49478F60750A
It's also interesting to read about your interest in (low
cost) chemistry, when your company promotes green.
Agfa has the broadest portfolio (and largest install) of
no- and low chemistry plates in the market (Azura and
Amigo), and now with Energy Elite, an award
winning "conventional" thermal plate that an InterTech
judge proclaimed to be "the basis for a new generation
of plates".
Yes, there is indeed another choice out there.
Regards,
Re: Fuji vs Agfa vs. Kodak Plates
Uncle Sam
(You weren't born in Arlington MA were you?
That's where the REAL Uncle Sam (Wilson) was born!)
It's interesting you note Fuji's no bake plate, but you neglect to mention Agfa's PIA/GATF InterTech Award-winning :Energy Elite plate. So, I'll do it for you. ;-)
http://www.gain.net/eweb/DynamicPag...&wps_key=CB583D17-B2AB-485F-BABC-49478F60750A
It's also interesting to read about your interest in (low
cost) chemistry, when your company promotes green.
Agfa has the broadest portfolio (and largest install) of
no- and low chemistry plates in the market (Azura and
Amigo), and now with Energy Elite, an award
winning "conventional" thermal plate that an InterTech
judge proclaimed to be "the basis for a new generation
of plates".
Yes, there is indeed another choice out there.
Regards,
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
We are running the Agfa Elite plate and it is without reservation, the best plate we have ever used. We are supplying multiple print sites, Web, Packaging (no bake), VLF sheet fed and small litho with no press chemistry issues and excellent storage for re-useablity.
We are running the Agfa Elite plate and it is without reservation, the best plate we have ever used. We are supplying multiple print sites, Web, Packaging (no bake), VLF sheet fed and small litho with no press chemistry issues and excellent storage for re-useablity.
SteveAgfa
Well-known member
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
Aorta:
Thanks for the kind words about Agfa Energy Elite plates.
One comment from a user in North Carolina,
was that their customer thought they had
started to print their magazine on the
sheetfed press (rather than the web press
it had and had traditionally been printed.)
I guess PIA/GATF InterTech judges
knew a great thing when they saw it.
Regards,
Aorta:
Thanks for the kind words about Agfa Energy Elite plates.
One comment from a user in North Carolina,
was that their customer thought they had
started to print their magazine on the
sheetfed press (rather than the web press
it had and had traditionally been printed.)
I guess PIA/GATF InterTech judges
knew a great thing when they saw it.
Regards,
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
Too many dealers on this site and dificult to make a decision.
Call both Kodak and Fuji dealers and decide for yourself. Make them compete. I won't go with any other vendor.
My advice - try using consumables from the same company that made the CTP, workflow, etc. This way there is no one esle to blame when something goes wrong and your downtime will be minimal
Too many dealers on this site and dificult to make a decision.
Call both Kodak and Fuji dealers and decide for yourself. Make them compete. I won't go with any other vendor.
My advice - try using consumables from the same company that made the CTP, workflow, etc. This way there is no one esle to blame when something goes wrong and your downtime will be minimal
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
We are actually right in the middle of deciding if we should switch to Fuji from Kodak. We have had some bad history with kodak plates and chemistry. We service our processor about 1 a week otherwise problems start showing up in the pressroom. Our biggest problem with Kodak plates have been hot spots, everyone outside of kodak that I ask tells me that is due to the fact that it is an ablative plate. Aren't all right to background plates ablative? Fuji claims theirs is not and all the shops that I ask who are running fuji look at me like I'm crazy when I mention hot spots.
Has anyone else had problems with hop spots?
We are actually right in the middle of deciding if we should switch to Fuji from Kodak. We have had some bad history with kodak plates and chemistry. We service our processor about 1 a week otherwise problems start showing up in the pressroom. Our biggest problem with Kodak plates have been hot spots, everyone outside of kodak that I ask tells me that is due to the fact that it is an ablative plate. Aren't all right to background plates ablative? Fuji claims theirs is not and all the shops that I ask who are running fuji look at me like I'm crazy when I mention hot spots.
Has anyone else had problems with hop spots?
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
Steve,
It was intresting to read a negative comment about Agfa products. I think Afga makes
very good products. The company and method of working, support etc. may be a large
factor why people in the past few years are trying to move away from Agfa. Price of plates
specialy violet plates ( quality is the best) is also major factor for people going towards
fuji/kodak instead of Amigo/Azura ( again quality is good).
Steve,
It was intresting to read a negative comment about Agfa products. I think Afga makes
very good products. The company and method of working, support etc. may be a large
factor why people in the past few years are trying to move away from Agfa. Price of plates
specialy violet plates ( quality is the best) is also major factor for people going towards
fuji/kodak instead of Amigo/Azura ( again quality is good).
pworlledge
Well-known member
Re: Fuji vs Kodak Plates
+1 !!!
+1 !!!
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