Ijet color 1175

[Alphapressfl]

I was curious if anyone has had any issues on longer runs. I just heard that on the ijet when it makes adjustments / cleanings on longer runs, it will tend to "mess up" stock as the feeder continues to run. Is that the case?

 

[Bobk]

We are thinking of getting an Ijet Pro. Does anyone have an average for ink usage? Im trying to figure out how often you need to replace cartridges on average.

 

[Jacob Fulk]

Do you know how the ijet compares to the postmark 1170? I heard that the postmark is less expensive.

Just now coming back to this because IJet added the 1175 to my arsenal. 1175 is a little more than half the cost of the 1175 Pro, but the same machine just with a slower engine. Could be a good option for you.

 

[Craig]

I was curious if anyone has had any issues on longer runs. I just heard that on the ijet when it makes adjustments / cleanings on longer runs, it will tend to "mess up" stock as the feeder continues to run. Is that the case?

I can assure you it does not mess up envelopes, but it does shoot our 3 or 4 blanks that you can add right back to the feeder. We've run upwards of 40,000 in a single job, running it as fast as it will run. You can set the cleaning cycle to your choice, this was a simple left corner text job so we set the cleaning to 5000 impressions, probably could have gone longer. It was running at about 8,000/hr, #10 windows.

 

[Craig]

We are thinking of getting an Ijet Pro. Does anyone have an average for ink usage? Im trying to figure out how often you need to replace cartridges on average.

Send Printware PDF files of your typical print jobs. They will tell you the cost per 1000. The last simple top left corner job we ran was $4.20/M and that also includes the cleaning sled as well as ink. Changing cartridges is going to be based on your coverage which is irrelevant to me. As long as you know your operating costs and are charging appropriately for profit that is all that matters. Your ink usage is covered whether you change a cartridge once a week or once a month.

 

[joshlindsay]

Just now coming back to this because IJet added the 1175 to my arsenal. 1175 is a little more than half the cost of the 1175 Pro, but the same machine just with a slower engine. Could be a good option for you.

The 1175 looks interesting. Do you have a rough price for it? Hopefully substantially less than the 1175 Pro.

 

[bill kahny]

Craig, I'm Not sure how 4 cartridges a week =$2560 / month or 4 cartridges a month = $640 is irrelevant. Unless your on a click charge for ink, Is that available for these?

 

[Jacob Fulk]

The 1175 looks interesting. Do you have a rough price for it? Hopefully substantially less than the 1175 Pro.

Eh roughly half

 

[Craig]

Craig, I'm Not sure how 4 cartridges a week =$2560 / month or 4 cartridges a month = $640 is irrelevant. Unless your on a click charge for ink, Is that available for these?

It's irrelevant because you should be charging for the ink per envelope just like paper. Your ink cost is based on the volume you are printing, just like offset ink. If your not calculating that you are setting yourself up for failure. It cost me on average of $4.50/M for consumables, and blank #10 regular envelopes are roughly $34.15/M that's $38.65/M to print plus 10ish minutes labor. We are selling 1000 envelopes at $102.00. Each round of cartridges are roughly 100,000 envelopes, so I would love to be buying 4 cartridge's a week, I'd be in early retirement if I sold them in batches of 1000!

 

[craignhp]

If you're comparing these two on quality, why don't you also compare them ink cost and throughput?

Sorry, I haven't checked in lately. Cost really wasn't that much different. Both based on coverage and usually under 1/2 cent each. As far as throughput, the FireJet claims a higher speed, but the print shop I went to that was running it, said they were never able to run at the top speed. And usually ran short edge feed to register better which slowed it down more. I like the feeder on the iJet a little better. Like I said - both look like good machines. The Firejet samples I received just weren't good. Our iJet was installed last week. So far so good. Register seems good, quality is good. Had a few issues with doubles, but I think that's an operator training thing.

 

[bill kahny]

It's irrelevant because you should be charging for the ink per envelope just like paper. Your ink cost is based on the volume you are printing, just like offset ink. If your not calculating that you are setting yourself up for failure. It cost me on average of $4.50/M for consumables, and blank #10 regular envelopes are roughly $34.15/M that's $38.65/M to print plus 10ish minutes labor. We are selling 1000 envelopes at $102.00. Each round of cartridges are roughly 100,000 envelopes, so I would love to be buying 4 cartridge's a week, I'd be in early retirement if I sold them in batches of 1000!

I understand your charging for your average monthly coverage over the average order but if you print 100,000 at 80% coverage instead of 10% coverage you will be in the poor house.

Like I asked - Is there a click charge for ink available on these or how good is the software at estimating cost on these pinters?

 

[Craig]

I understand your charging for your average monthly coverage over the average order but if you print 100,000 at 80% coverage instead of 10% coverage you will be in the poor house.

Like I asked - Is there a click charge for ink available on these or how good is the software at estimating cost on these pinters?

Actually we have compensated for that in our MIS by having different pricing based on ink coverage for the job. This is the same method that we used when we had offsets. Heavy coverage uses more ink therefore the higher price.

To directly answer your question there in no click charge for inkjet that I have seen with the exception of Riso. Even theirs if I remember was a base for all consumables except ink.

 

[keb1019]

I am new to this site and really hoping to get some feedback with everyone's expertise on envelope printers.
We have always run envelopes on the offset press, however, we have decided it is now time to bite the bullet and move away from the press and have been tirelessly researching our options. We have been impressed with the quality of toner vs ink (Xante Enpress or the SP1360.) but the reviews for the Xante seem pretty discouraging and no clear advantage to the 1360/OKI machine. We then looked into the Mach6, 1800S and Rapidcolor 1170 for ink but again, haven't gotten a clear view of reviews.
Any advice and review is greatly appreciated. Our main goal is to print full color on #10 envelopes with the hopes of marketing to neighboring businesses who need suppliers for their envelope runs.

 

[FlaPrntr]

I am new to this site and really hoping to get some feedback with everyone's expertise on envelope printers.
We have always run envelopes on the offset press, however, we have decided it is now time to bite the bullet and move away from the press and have been tirelessly researching our options. We have been impressed with the quality of toner vs ink (Xante Enpress or the SP1360.) but the reviews for the Xante seem pretty discouraging and no clear advantage to the 1360/OKI machine. We then looked into the Mach6, 1800S and Rapidcolor 1170 for ink but again, haven't gotten a clear view of reviews.
Any advice and review is greatly appreciated. Our main goal is to print full color on #10 envelopes with the hopes of marketing to neighboring businesses who need suppliers for their envelope runs.

If OKI is a toner based machine, so you can't print standard window envelopes because the fuser will melt the window film. Same issue with the Xante Enpress. Memjet inks look washed out to me, and the blacks are a greenish gray. I have samples from Printware from a 1175 (HP based print head) and the colors are better than memjet. Trying to decide if the i-Jet 1175 Pro is worth the extra $$$ over the 1175. The Riso was also a consideration until I read reviews and comments regarding how picky it is by envelope brand, and it doesn't print self seal or flip n stick flap envelopes. Also, the Riso can't print an A-2 size envelope (too small). The i-Jet 1175 or 1175 Pro seem to be the best choices. The biggest draw back for i-Jet is the ink is proprietary, and you are at their mercy for ink. Once you spend tens of thousands of dollars for their printer, you can't go anywhere else for ink. They can name their price.

 

[tnims68]

If OKI is a toner based machine, so you can't print standard window envelopes because the fuser will melt the window film. Same issue with the Xante Enpress. Memjet inks look washed out to me, and the blacks are a greenish gray. I have samples from Printware from a 1175 (HP based print head) and the colors are better than memjet. Trying to decide if the i-Jet 1175 Pro is worth the extra $$$ over the 1175. The Riso was also a consideration until I read reviews and comments regarding how picky it is by envelope brand, and it doesn't print self seal or flip n stick flap envelopes. Also, the Riso can't print an A-2 size envelope (too small). The i-Jet 1175 or 1175 Pro seem to be the best choices. The biggest draw back for i-Jet is the ink is proprietary, and you are at their mercy for ink. Once you spend tens of thousands of dollars for their printer, you can't go anywhere else for ink. They can name their price.

Isn't the Firejet capable of 16k to 18k per hour vs maybe 10k for the Ijet? I have samples from HP FI 1000 also and they were acceptable quality. Still waiting on Ijet samples of my own files.

 

[FlaPrntr]

I am strongly considering the Martin Yale 1170Pro (formerly Postmark 1170). It is the HP FI-1000 print head. Speed is rated similar to the i-jet 1175 pro, but priced between the 1175 and 1175 pro. Supported by my local dealer.

 

[tnims68]

Have you looked at ink prices, addons such as conveyors, etc.? You are looking at 285.00 for 233ML each and 500 for 500ml of black.
I am looking at the Firejet which uses the Duraflex head by Memjet vs the HP 1000 and I have samples from both. To be honest, there's basically no difference in print quality that is noticeable.
The Firejet runs 15k -18k envelopes an hour vs up to 10k an hour for 1175. Firejet inks are 600 dollars for 2 liters of ink each BCMY. Price difference is about 20K more for the Firejet but consumables will offset that instantly if you have any volume. And if you do have volume you will need to run faster.

 

[printing656]

Thanks tnims68, these guys seemed to know what their prices were so I thought maybe they just got better pricing than I did. My samples returned to me looked the same from both systems. I came to the same conclusions as you.

 

[FlaPrntr]

For the HP inks, I was quoted $145 for the CMY inks, (cyan 237 ml, Magenta 233 ml, yellow 225 ml) and $310 for black 498 ml. I don't do the volume to justify spending $95,000 for the FireJet. The Martin Yale (Postmark) is about half of that. The FireJet is 4 months out once you order and pay 30% deposit.

 

[FlaPrntr]

For the HP inks, I was quoted $145 for the CMY inks, (cyan 237 ml, Magenta 233 ml, yellow 225 ml) and $310 for black 498 ml. I don't do the volume to justify spending $95,000 for the FireJet. The Martin Yale (Postmark) is about half of that. The FireJet is 4 months out once you order and pay 30% deposit

Printware (i-Jet HP FI-1000) inks are $250 for 250 ml CMY, $399 for 500 ml. The bad thing about all these options are the proprietary inks. Once you spend tens of thousands for their machine, you are at their mercy for the cost of the inks.