Matte/Uncoated Finish

[printing4me]

Who has the best game in town for a mid-range production copier that can look most like offset on uncoated stock? I love the finish of the Indigo of course but the price and cost of operation is out of my league. Are there any dry toners out there with relative success?

 

[donnied]

Ricoh C7200 series. There are 10 variations in the series, so lots of options to get the right speed, choice of 4 or 5 color, copier or printer only, RIP options, etc. People love the more offset look of the finish compared to the shiny/glossy look of other machines.

 

[printing4me]

Ricoh C7200 series. There are 10 variations in the series, so lots of options to get the right speed, choice of 4 or 5 color, copier or printer only, RIP options, etc. People love the more offset look of the finish compared to the shiny/glossy look of other machines.

Did you mean 10 variations of the machine or the C7200 series has 10 variations of finishes when printing?

 

[donnied]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, but yes there are 10 variations of machines in the series. All of them have the default offset-like finish. Of course, if you want it very shiny or glossy, that is a setting change option also.

 

[printing4me]

No problem, thanks for the clarification. So you are saying out of the gate this machine shines (pun intended) at having the most offset like look in your experience? You actually need to engage the gloss setting is you want it to match coated finishes?

 

[donnied]

Ricoh has a configurable paper library that allows you make whatever changes to CQ you like and save them for later use. The Library has a graphical interface that makes adjusting items like Finish choices very quick and easy. You could create an entry for a particular stock that comes out matte, and then another for that stock that comes out shiny. You can store up to 1000 different custom paper library entries. Just choose the entry you want and print the job.

 

[donnied]

It's ironic that up until about 10 years ago, everybody wanted the finish to be as shiny as possible. Now everybody wants a matte finish! That may be mostly a result of more offset operators are realizing the benefits of digital, and are switching over, but still want to see what they are used to seeing.

 

[printing4me]

Thanks for that info. Do you know the comparable models in the world of Xerox, Canon, or Konica? I am not too familiar with production Ricoh machines.

 

[donnied]

According to the operators I've talked to, the Canon's and the especially the Konica's are ruled out due to being too glossy, due to their toner. Xerox Versant 3100 I believe is the closest equivalent.

 

[printing4me]

I meant model to model overall not really gloss to gloss. Does it compare more to a Canon 10000 vs the Canon C810?

 

[donnied]

C10000vp would be a closer comparison, but without a lot of the choices that the Ricoh C7200 series gives you.

 

[bill kahny]

IMHO, Within the Canon line the C750 can achieve a much flatter/matte/uncoated look to the toner than the C6011. Make sure the color defined in the print file is calling for the un-coated version of the PMS you want.

 

[printing4me]

@bill kahny Do you know if that would be true of the C700 as well? Do you know the behind the scenes settings that change the gloss level? On my C700 there is gloss optimization and all that. There is a more glossy finish when I use a coated setting vs uncoated as far as paper profile goes but I would like to know how to tweak beyond that. Whether it be heat, speed, or whatnot.

 

[Shawnd]

Most of the time it is fuser heat level and machine speed. Cool the fuser down for a more matte look, but will need to compensate for that since it might not fuse as good at high speed.

 

[bill kahny]

No sorry my behind the scene working is limited to viewing the color in the PDF file with the tools from Pitstop. the un-coated color library looks much truer to our presses then we can get off the old c6011.

 

[Craig]

The Kodak Nexpress has an option for a matte fuser roller that is freaking sweet! That may be our next replacement for our 2 Xerox's. But you need the volume to justify it.

 

[msaeger]

The Kodak Nexpress has an option for a matte fuser roller that is freaking sweet! That may be our next replacement for our 2 Xerox's. But you need the volume to justify it.

Does it work? I wonder what they do differently to the roller? I have only seen the level of glossiness be changed buy the temperature and the toner.

 

[Craig]

Does it work? I wonder what they do differently to the roller? I have only seen the level of glossiness be changed buy the temperature and the toner.

It said it was a matte fuser roller and the sample I have is freaking sweet.

 

[msaeger]

It said it was a matte fuser roller and the sample I have is freaking sweet.

Maybe they have some different kind of finish on the roller? Now I want to find out!