Xerox Proficio Range

Interesting "rebranding"... with Xerox moving away from Fuji, I'm curios who is under the hood. Probably Fuji... LOL

So I'm guessing the PX500 is just a facelift... still only CMYK, no fifth color station?
 
Interesting "rebranding"... with Xerox moving away from Fuji, I'm curios who is under the hood. Probably Fuji... LOL

So I'm guessing the PX500 is just a facelift... still only CMYK, no fifth color station?
The new Xerox machines are based on Fuji's Revoria engines according to the articile on Printweek.com.

Will be interesting to see what they price the machines at compared to Fuji's offerings. We are going to be looking for a new press next year (hopefully) so will be keeping an eye on this.
 
The new Xerox machines are based on Fuji's Revoria engines according to the articile on Printweek.com.
ahhh, so it WILL be 5 ink capable!

I fully expect that Fuji will be hard to beat cost-wise, they are only hindered by how big their service network is. Fuji does have the benefits of every single Xerox tech that could work on a Versant already knows how to work on a Fuji... and I know from the Denver market, Xerox has lost a loooooooooot of techs to 3rd party vendors (and I know of one in particular that got poached by Fuji corporate).
 
Interesting "rebranding"... with Xerox moving away from Fuji, I'm curios who is under the hood. Probably Fuji... LOL

So I'm guessing the PX500 is just a facelift... still only CMYK, no fifth color station?
The article above states that both machines will have a 5th color station.

Honestly this just seems like they sat around the room and said "they aint gonna go for a Versant 380 and 5100 so we gotta give them a new name". And then an intern chimed in and said "and let's make sure we put some AI in it so it seems like it's cutting edge and is part of the future". Then they all considered the project finished and headed to the golf course lol.

I mean let's face it. This machine is exactly like the previous models and all other companies current offerings. They all have their little quirks or whatever but as a whole digital print has reached its maturity and I dont see any progression forward in offerings like this. The only real revolution digital printing has had in the last 10 years or so was Landa and we all see how that is going. Inkjet is becoming much better but still is largely transaction based and im not sure it will ever get to the levels of current toner machines as a whole.

The way I see it the only real game changer in digital printing that could happen is if larger B2/29" press became available with reduced toner cost and increased speed. And not require you to sacrifice your firstborn to afford an Indigo 15k and up.
 
ahhh, so it WILL be 5 ink capable!

I fully expect that Fuji will be hard to beat cost-wise, they are only hindered by how big their service network is. Fuji does have the benefits of every single Xerox tech that could work on a Versant already knows how to work on a Fuji... and I know from the Denver market, Xerox has lost a loooooooooot of techs to 3rd party vendors (and I know of one in particular that got poached by Fuji corporate).
In this production segment do US printers still call on Xerox? Where I am seems like most printers left Xerox behind at least one if not two (printer) generations ago. The last time I had Xerox equipment the local Xerox techs had been further reduced (they were already struggling) and consolidated under another brand, and the remaining sales staff couldn’t even sell to us (we were sent to some Canadian remote sales person…I am US based)…so on top of service issues, pricing wasn’t competitive so it was not difficult to let them go. I haven’t heard from or seen any Xerox sales people drop in at my current…though we still get the KM / third party reps stopping by regularly, and in the past few months even the Canon rep has felt it necessary to grace us with his presence (though we are firmly a Ricoh shop for the next couple years at least).
 
The article above states that both machines will have a 5th color station.

Honestly this just seems like they sat around the room and said "they aint gonna go for a Versant 380 and 5100 so we gotta give them a new name". And then an intern chimed in and said "and let's make sure we put some AI in it so it seems like it's cutting edge and is part of the future". Then they all considered the project finished and headed to the golf course lol.

I mean let's face it. This machine is exactly like the previous models and all other companies current offerings. They all have their little quirks or whatever but as a whole digital print has reached its maturity and I dont see any progression forward in offerings like this. The only real revolution digital printing has had in the last 10 years or so was Landa and we all see how that is going. Inkjet is becoming much better but still is largely transaction based and im not sure it will ever get to the levels of current toner machines as a whole.

The way I see it the only real game changer in digital printing that could happen is if larger B2/29" press became available with reduced toner cost and increased speed. And not require you to sacrifice your firstborn to afford an Indigo 15k and up.
I think inkjet will fully replace toner once the costs come down. Canon's newest inkjet offering looks better than toner and I can hardly tell the difference between it and offset. They still need to bring the costs down by about 200k, but it used to be more like a 700k gap, so I think in 5-10 years it'll likely be what people are using instead of toner boxes.

I don't think there will ever be a B2 toner machine. They can barely hold sheet uniformity on 13x19.
 
I think inkjet will fully replace toner once the costs come down. Canon's newest inkjet offering looks better than toner and I can hardly tell the difference between it and offset. They still need to bring the costs down by about 200k, but it used to be more like a 700k gap, so I think in 5-10 years it'll likely be what people are using instead of toner boxes.
Agreed
 
Does anyone on here have a KIP and would share costs and opinions.

Mainly is it a viable production printer at any quantity?
 
Does anyone on here have a KIP and would share costs and opinions.

Mainly is it a viable production printer at any quantity?
I don't have one, but I used to sell them when I was a production specialist for Konica Minolta. They are excellent production units that can run all day long. However, they are limited to what sort of media you can print on (no cover stock). They are mostly designed for blueprints/plans/renderings and do great with fine details. However, they have a lower resolution than most cut-sheet toner presses at 600 x 1,800 dpi (vs 2400x2400 or more).

Personally, if I were getting into blueprints, I would move away from wide-format toner engines like Canon, Oce, and KIP and choose an HP PageWide XL which uses memjet-type inkjet technology (meaning: the print head doesn't move back and forth across the page, it stays in place and is the full width of the page. In the case of HP PageWide XL, it is several print heads stitched together that can individually be replaced if they go bad). They are much faster and less maintenance since you don't have all of the components associated with toner engines. They also print on a wider range of media (even directly to foam boards) and can be used for POS posters. A large grocery chain in my state uses them for all of their in-store posters.
 
This new range is live on Xerox websites now.

I see it has an optional Quality Control Module, optional 5th colour and Optional Static Dissipation Module
 
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This new range is live on Xerox websites now.

I see it has an optional Quality Control Module, optional 5th colour and Optional Static Dissipation Module
The quality control module is about $20,000 USD if you buy from Fuji, according to their Printing United staff.
 
Yeh, you'd want to be sure you need it, definitely not an impulse option.

I see the range is now rated speed as standard, no longer a performance upgrade option.
 
This new range is live on Xerox websites now.

I see it has an optional Quality Control Module, optional 5th colour and Optional Static Dissipation Module
Interesting. We are running a Versant 280 and the local Xerox Rep is pushing for a new lease for newer equipment BUT, I'm almost thinking it's best to just buy-out this Versant and keep it running.
 
Interesting. We are running a Versant 280 and the local Xerox Rep is pushing for a new lease for newer equipment BUT, I'm almost thinking it's best to just buy-out this Versant and keep it running.

v280 is still a great machine imo. But there could be a saving to be made in upgrading.

New Lease Payment vs (current click charge - new click charge) * average monthly volume
 
   
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