Ijet color 1175

[tnims68]

For the HP inks, I was quoted $145 for the CMY inks, (cyan 237 ml, Magenta 233 ml, yellow 225 ml) and $310 for black 498 ml. I don't do the volume to justify spending $95,000 for the FireJet. The Martin Yale (Postmark) is about half of that. The FireJet is 4 months out once you order and pay 30% deposit.

If you are resourceful you can get the Firejet for about 65000..... But yeah, 4 months out. Must be built on demand.

 

[DRaymer]

Printware (i-Jet HP FI-1000) inks are $250 for 250 ml CMY, $399 for 500 ml. The bad thing about all these options are the proprietary inks. Once you spend tens of thousands for their machine, you are at their mercy for the cost of the inks.

We're in Australia and have to purchase inks through the seller of the machine. As such, the ink costs are quite high as we also have shipping, exchange rates and of course their markup. I've been looking around trying to source a compatible ink, but I just don't believe there's enough demand at the moment for anyone to produce them. I'm well aware of the dangers of non-OEM inks, but being able to reduce the cost will make it even more competitive and help to win more jobs.

 

[jwheeler]

I am strongly considering the Martin Yale 1170Pro (formerly Postmark 1170). It is the HP FI-1000 print head. Speed is rated similar to the i-jet 1175 pro, but priced between the 1175 and 1175 pro. Supported by my local dealer.

@FlaPrntr , which one did you end up getting? How have you guys liked this machine? Ease of operation? Consistency in feeding, print quality, etc? We've received bids on this unit and the iJetColor 1175. They seem like very similar units.

 

[craignhp]

If you're comparing these two on quality, why don't you also compare them ink cost and throughput?

Sorry, I haven't checked back on this forum for a long time. Basically, quality was the biggest factor for me. We've been running the 1175P now for 10 months. We've had a few issues that support took care of, but overall it's been an amazing addition to the shop. As far as throughput, our operator doesn't usually run full speed, mostly because it's tough keep up loading and unloading at 10k per hour. But it's still plenty fast and a huge improvement over the Impressia we were previously using. If color is super critical, we'll run them on one of our Iridesses, but that's rare. We haven't put ink in either of our small offsets since the day it was delivered. As far as ink cost, I haven't tracked that too close. It was around $.004 when we first tried to follow it. I guess it really doesn't matter that much to me. Markup on envelopes put through the machine more than covers any small difference in ink cost - if there is one. My main requirements are quality, reliability, flexibility and speed - in that order.

 

[Shawnd]

For those of you that went to Printing United, you got to see the new FI-1000's coming out next year by several vendors, if you are looking to purchase an envelope printer I would hold out if you can to see if prices drop due to competition. Previously wasn't much choice when it came to vendors with FI-1000 heads, that will be changing.

 

[jwheeler]

For those of you that went to Printing United, you got to see the new FI-1000's coming out next year by several vendors, if you are looking to purchase an envelope printer I would hold out if you can to see if prices drop due to competition. Previously wasn't much choice when it came to vendors with FI-1000 heads, that will be changing.

I couldn't make it to the show. Can you post a link to the new models you're referring to? Both the iJetColor 1175 and Postmark 1170 that we're being quoted have the HP FI-1000 printheads now.

 

[Shawnd]

Quadient and Formax both had the pre-production models using the FI-1000 printheads on display at PU. Martin Yale had the Postmark Envejet on display.

Link to envejet: Postmark on LinkedIn: #printingunitedatlanta #envelopeprinting #postmark #madeintheusa #hp

Link to formax:

 

[tnims68]

We just took in a Kirk Rudy Firejet and it has been phenomenal in terms of production whether its envelopes or cut sheet work.
Hitting 15k per hour consistently for envelopes and 10k per hour on 8.5x11 sheets. The 12.750 printhead made this our choice because of versatility.
The one thing that a lot of people don't consider is the quality you will get from aqueous pigment inks on a non treated substrate.
Using primered stocks make all the difference in terms of quality. Non treated stocks leave a muted, flat color imo. Blues and reds can be tough in terms of popping.

 

[sdv]

If you are resourceful you can get the Firejet for about 65000..... But yeah, 4 months out. Must be built on demand.

I'm just starting to look at inkjet envelope printers again, and found this thread. Where can you get a FireJet for 65K? We had one priced out last spring and it was @110K. We had a Postmark 1170 in 2020-2021 that was absolute garbage that we sent back.

 

[marlin64]

So, I got some printed samples of my files off an iJet Color 1175. The color quality is poor compared to my Oki 942. Are people finding the quality to be acceptable? Has anyone had any complaints from their customers? I would expect a current customer of mine to reject the envelopes printed on the iJet Color. Such a big difference in quality compared to the Oki.

 

[Dmiller35]

When you say poor quality, can you be more specific? From what I've seen, the pigment inks from HP and Memjet look great but color wise, they aren't as vibrant as toner.
This mainly because they tend to soak into the sheet a bit more.
We don't have a printer with an HP printhead so I can't say for sure on that one but we haven't had too many complaints with our Firejet with Memjet head.
The only complaints or issues we've had is with colors not appearing as vibrant.

 

[Shawnd]

I use Digi-M envelopes from WSEL for inkjet jobs that need to have higher quality graphics.

Digi-M Inkjet Envelopes | WSEL

Digi-M inkjet envelopes use a specially developed paper to bring out the best and brightest color from all inkjet printers!

www.wsel.com

 

[marlin64]

The inkjet color is faded (less vibrant) than the toner color, small type is not as clear, gradients are not as sharp. It just seems like a big step backwards compared to toner. It looks like I would need to have both machines. One to offer economy printing and one to offer quality printing. To top it off, there would not be a huge selling price difference.

 

[sdv]

We had a first generation Postmark unit in on a very LONG demo in 2021. We didn't keep it due to many issues with the Xitron rip and the onboard interface not playing nice. We ran it for almost a year and had literally zero pushback from any clients regarding quality. If we needed to match letterhead we just ran both on one of our Canons but all standalone envelopes were inkjet. YMMV of course

 

[tngcas]

To top it off, there would not be a huge selling price difference.

We felt the same. The quality isn't there but for black and white bulk mailings it was fine.

The only real helpful difference is that the envelope printer is faster for long runs.

We didn't find the machine to be lower costs because the consumables cost is very high. The costs to replace the print heads and the inks is so high that it's actually less expensive for us to pay our click charges on our standard production printers. Unless you're doing super high volumes of envelopes (where you can save on labor) then it just didn't make financial sense for us. When I broke it out, I'd have to be running over 20k envelopes a month to make the envelope printer pay for itself AND honestly, at that point, I could just lease a separate digital printer for the consumables costs and have more versitility.

I just couldn't make the maths math for our shop.

 

[Craig]

So, I got some printed samples of my files off an iJet Color 1175. The color quality is poor compared to my Oki 942. Are people finding the quality to be acceptable? Has anyone had any complaints from their customers? I would expect a current customer of mine to reject the envelopes printed on the iJet Color. Such a big difference in quality compared to the Oki.

Inkjet vs laser, no surprise there! Now talk productivity, the 1175P will blow the doors off the Oki. We went from Xante to 1175P and have well over 4 million without a single complaint.

 

[jwheeler]

Inkjet vs laser, no surprise there! Now talk productivity, the 1175P will blow the doors off the Oki. We went from Xante to 1175P and have well over 4 million without a single complaint.

@Craig , this is exactly why we're looking into one of these inkjet units (either from iJet or other label). We have an Oki and it's too slow and jams frequently, so we run all envelope orders on our Konica's for now. How long have you had your unit? And have you done the calculations to determine a true total cost of ownership/cost per print?

 

[Shawnd]

@jwheeler Printing United is right around the corner, I would wait to see what is released before making any decisions. I am still waiting on the new HP FI-1000 head inkjets to be released before upgrading from my memjet.

Plenty of profit margin in inkjets, with the cost per print varying job to job (not a click based approach) I would focus on overall profit margins. Some jobs you will make more than others.

 

[SAP24]

Have a 1175P for 3 years. We average 100,000 per month. Been reliable and cost effecient compared to our previous OKI based envelope printer. Biggest issue are large envelopes, 9.5x12.5 and 10x13s. Feed issue and doubles. We end up running them slower. Only accounts for about 5% of our volume. We went with the iJet over the Kirk Rudy based on printhead and overall length.

 

[Craig]

@Craig , this is exactly why we're looking into one of these inkjet units (either from iJet or other label). We have an Oki and it's too slow and jams frequently, so we run all envelope orders on our Konica's for now. How long have you had your unit? And have you done the calculations to determine a true total cost of ownership/cost per print?

Running a corner copy on a 9x12 now that has a solid 1.5"x3.25" rectangle with the type in reverse and it's running at $8.55/M. That includes the ink head and ink costs. We are on our original head with 4.5 million on it.