KM4070 vs Xerox V280

I’m planning on purchasing one of the above very soon, both are similarly priced but with Covid restrictions I’m struggling to get out and view

does anyone have any experience or feedback on the pluses and negatives with these two?

Im swaying to the KM due to poor service from Xerox but would appreciate and feedback.

thanks
 

gazfocus

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To be honest, service would be my number one criteria so if you have had poor service from Xerox, go with the Konica (unless you can get the Xerox from a different dealer)
 
Call outs haven’t been bad with Xerox this past 5 years, usually a max of 24 hours, it’s everything else they seem to be failing with!

the embellishments sound good on the 280 and would open the door for new business, but would love to hear from owners on their thoughts.

thanks
 

jwheeler

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I used to sell KM production gear, and I now work at a shop that runs KM units. Even with that, I won't advise which one over the other. They both have very similar specs, both produce a great image, and they are usually priced around the same for lease and CPC. As @gazfocus said, the biggest factor is service. You already know what to expect from Xerox. KM will tell you what you want to hear, however, it's best to ask for local references and ask them what sort of response time they offer and if there's any issues getting parts/supplies. Here in the US, they usually strive for a 4 hour turn-around time, although it's become next day in recent years.

I know the 5th color on the Xerox seems appealing, but if you haven't already had regular requests for it, they won't start rolling through the door just because you can now do it. You will have to really market it, and even then, it will be for niche projects. My current shop had considered it specifically for the gold as an alternative to gold foiling, but it really doesn't have enough shimmer to impress anyone. The clear toner seems exciting for spot UV, but again, it appeared very weak on the samples our Xerox rep brought us. We really had to angle the paper just right to catch the light and see it. If you think it will boost your business, then go for it!
 

Ynot_UK

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We’ve had our KM C4080 for coming up three months (proudly the first UK installation within a couple of weeks of global launch). So far, all superb and would highly recommend.
Ours was bought from our existing KM dealer as opposed to the direct channel. Our business has grown up on KM machines over fifteen years. We have a comprehensive offline finishing setup so opted for the basic OT-510 stacker. The RU-518 relay unit is awesome, everything is delivered cool and perfectly flat.
 

MacDaddy

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I’m planning on purchasing one of the above very soon, both are similarly priced but with Covid restrictions I’m struggling to get out and view

does anyone have any experience or feedback on the pluses and negatives with these two?

Im swaying to the KM due to poor service from Xerox but would appreciate and feedback.

thanks
I have always stayed away from Xerox have heard of two many nightmares. I have three KM not saying it is better then Ricoh or Cannon. But I have the best service guy and that is what is important.
 

crajos

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I have a Konica C3080 we picked up a year ago, and have run Konica C1060s prior to that. They have been reliable and print quality has always been excellent. I haven't run Xerox, but I have heard stories about them being more problematic (as well as Canon color machines), but as I don't run those. I'm sure there are an equal number of people who will praise Canon or Xerox.

Others are right - service is absolutely something to think about. I've had people offer me great deals on other equipment, but their service is coming from 2 hours away. Even with a 'guaranteed' response time, I don't want to hear "Well we need a part, we'll schedule to come back". My techs and their warehouse are 20 minutes away and they have techs dedicated just to production-grade equipment; that's valuable.

Regarding the C3080, jams are very few and far between and it's handled just about every type of stock I can throw at it. I think all of the manufacturers have some sort of in-line calibration available - Konica has had spectrophotometers inside their relay units for a while. Now Konica has the 'IQ-501' unit - I have this on my press. Personally, I wouldn't want to go back to running without it. Exacting color and front/back registration, continuous monitoring during print runs, easy creation of output profiles, engine and controller calibration...it's great. I run an in-plant, so most of the work we print has our brand colors on it, one of them a custom spot that's kind of a pain to hit. Both our marketing department and myself have never been happier with what's coming off the press.
 

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