Laminating iGen4 Product

[GLP]

We are having to wait 24 - 48 hours for the "fuser oil to cure" before we can laminate product that is run on our iGEN4. The substrate we are running is "Utopia Digital U2 Gloss Cover". The laminator is a "GBC Professional 5031TS-2 Sided Laminating System". What if anything can be done to reduce "cure" time?

 

[essaryd]

try futura laser.

 

[smatros]

the problem in my opinion is same as with other xerox prints. we also have sometimes lamination problems. sometimes (besides waiting, which does not always resolve the problem) we run all the laminated and sheet-cut prints again through a desktop pouch laminator at high temperature - it is time consuming, but it reduces waste. It also helps to wipe the prints with a micro-fiber cloth (at least sometimes). But these are all "home made" improvements, the main problem remains in the ink ingredients and the fact, that xerox prints do not preform best at lamination.

 

[WillG]

We run a Xerox for book covers and laminate all the time, never once had a problem that was caused by the machine. Have you tried Super Sticky, or Super Tack Lamination? Its a GBC Laminate, that comes in gloss only.

 

[GLP]

WillG, you get this product right from a GBC Dealer?

 

[smatros]

willG, which printer you have? which laminator, what temperature / pressure you use? do you laminate immediately after printing? what paper you use (weight?) ? thank for your help. and yes, we tried several special foils for digital print lamination from GBC, GMP, DK ...

 

[Bondmaster]

Minibond

Minibond

Yes films are important on Xerox toners etc, but also the way it is laminated is just as important. We produce both heat shoe and hot roller machines for the digital print arena. The GBC 5031 is a good machine but fairly pricey for what is needed. You can start as low as $1800 if it is only small run requirement 2 sides. To go to 1 & 2 sides plus the ability to use heavier encapsulating films we have the MININBOND at approx $5300 ex Indiana.
If you go to YOUTUBE MINIBOND LAMINATOR you will see it doing trials running one side.
We also offer X-BOND films ( no guesses why we call them that) in superthin layflat and polyester films right up to 10 mil for 2 side ID cards that can go thru the MINIBOND. Phone 765 - 935 6131 for more info. You will be talking to Jimm Grimm who as a high tech scientist in plastics developed many of the tricks we use and also installed quite a few massive extrusion lines in his day. Great wealth of knowledge.

 

[macphenom]

Are you using "Fuser Oil 1 or Fuser Oil 2" it makes a difference.

 

[Internal_R&D_Analyst]

I'd go with WillG and the superstick, it has worked for most digital prints including Xerox.

D&K Group, Inc. - Advanced SuperStick Adhesive Film

 

[Bondmaster]

D&K Superstick is a good product and we use it as well, but all these films rely on the correct laminator as well. IE: D& K thru a shoe machine will not really get there.

 

[lfelton]

D&K Superstick is a good product and we use it as well, but all these films rely on the correct laminator as well. IE: D& K thru a shoe machine will not really get there.

Bondmaster's right. I had a quick look at this GBC 5031 and it doesn't look like the right machine for the job. You need a proper laminating line with serious nip pressure.

Thumbs up from me too on the D&K Superstick, it's a good product. My only (minor) gripe with it is that you can only get it in 2KM rolls as of last month. No biggie, except if you change reels a lot like we do, the operators moan about the weight a bit

Just to clarify: "Superstick" is a D&K product (probably rebadged by lots of other companies). This refers to the glue formulation, you can get matt and gloss in both nylon and polyester.

 

[Bondmaster]

Quick opnion on the GBC machine ( I think you'll find its a rebadged Korean GMP) indicates its better on heavy polyesters, say 3mil etc, used in encapsulation for placemats , menu covers and so on. There is a split here. To use films with lots of glue resin you will get away with a heated rubber nip + heatshoe like the 5031. But to do light weight 1 to 1.7 mil polyprops and nylons the best is really a hard chrome roller under pressure. That's why we offer rubber/heatshoe on some machines for the offset trade as machines that "do all" and then a chrome roller device starting at the MINIBOND to do the lightweight lamination of toner work to duplicate the very expensive lines used by contract laminators.

 

[transcorotron]

Stock!!!

Stock!!!

TRy a different weight on the stock, lighter weight is better... This gona change the temp apply from the fuser roller to the paper...

 

[Laminator Warehouse]

Alternative to SuperStick

Alternative to SuperStick

One alternative to the Superstick is the EXB film. It is validated by Xerox. It should work well for you. If you'd like a sample, just let me know. Laminator Warehouse: Xtreme Bond (EXB) Laminating Film

 

[smatros]

One alternative to the Superstick is the EXB film. It is validated by Xerox. It should work well for you. If you'd like a sample, just let me know. Laminator Warehouse: Xtreme Bond (EXB) Laminating Film

Is it sold in Europe as well? Would love to try it.

 

[Laminator Warehouse]

Yes, it is sold in Europe. I'll find the contact for you.

 

[Larry Murphy]

Laminating Xerox Digital Prints

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