Offset Ink Mileage Test Procedures

[D Ink Man]

Green, I would say yes, as long as what you say is accurate. I must say, having exactly the same reruns and job counts identical in a 6 month or 1 year period is certainly a phenomenon in the world of print.

 

[gordo]

There is a specific procedure to use when conducting offset ink mileage testing.

It needs to be conducted by an individual that is fully versed in the procedures for results that have no question into authenticity.

This procedure will result in a printer saving tens of thousands of dollars in a years time.
It will also improve the productivity and effective operation of the printer's manufacturing. This additionally leads to cost savings and the printer being absolutely more competitive in their market place.

Was that the thesis you promised?

Best gordo

 

[D Ink Man]

Was that the thesis you promised?

Best gordo

No, that is not my thesis and I never really promi$ed.

Best,

D

 

[D Ink Man]

My next reply in anticipation of the next reply before it's posted.

Could have been a typo.

 

[mazengh]

If anyone knows the best method to very accurately measure ink mileage, Ink A versus Ink B, please offer it here to this post.

I have had a bit of experience with this subject and will share my methodologies to the forum henceforth.

No, that is not my thesis and I never really promi$ed.

Best,

D

doesn't the top statement say that you will share your knowledge?

 

[gordo]

doesn't the top statement say that you will share your knowledge?

That's what he said - but like the vendors he chastises, that's apparently not what he's going to do.

D Ink Man is now in my Bad books as "DIM"

Gordo

 

[D Ink Man]

Gordo,

Please find another word other than "chastises". Why be so harsh on your precious vendors? You liking what you get, so more power to you. And as far as what book I am in of yours, I don't care.

Also, you gave your method on how to check ink mileage. Just for your information, it is wrong, Mr. Congeniality. Put that in your book. D

 

[D Ink Man]

Do you all want the exacting method to perform an ink laboratory color strength bleach test? There's your mileage.

A far as the on pre$$ test, we'll go with the well seasoned Gordo's offering.

D

 

[Lukew]

Gordo,

Please find another word other than "chastises". Why be so harsh on your precious vendors? You liking what you get, so more power to you. And as far as what book I am in of yours, I don't care.

Also, you gave your method on how to check ink mileage. Just for your information, it is wrong, Mr. Congeniality. Put that in your book. D

D Ink Man, do you have a serious chip on your shoulder or what? Or simply to many years in the industry & have become jaded?

You dish out criticism be it sarcastically or for real all the time towards others. As soon as they question/criticize you your on the attack.

Your the ink tech with many years of SERVICE how about you step up and start servicing the forum and offer your technical expertise instead of cynical sarcastic comments. Your post on the three stages of drying was a good one!

Perhaps you could reply to the thread of the reason's why some inks transfer tiny % dots better then other inks

You started this thread & clearly stated you would share your findings of the correct way to monitor ink mileage, well please do so. Surely it isn't top secret..

I thought some of the top of the line presses monitored and graphed ink usage per job if they run ink cartridge's or pumps. Data that could be recalled for the next time the job was printed to check against. Maybe this was a dream...

 

[D Ink Man]

Lukew,

Thanks for your comments. Appreciate it, but please no siding or referee inclusion. Sometimes two big bull headed big horn sheep gotta get it on and knock heads. Bottom line, I love Gordo, you probably do too, so we can get on with things. Thank you. D

 

[gordo]

Also, you gave your method on how to check ink mileage. Just for your information, it is wrong, Mr. Congeniality. Put that in your book. D

I have no problem with being wrong. However, If you are truly DIM, then you should be able to explain in what way the two methods I outlined is wrong. I would appreciate learning and I'm sure that other members of this forum would as well. After all learning is one of the reasons that folks, including me, subscribe to this forum.

Gordo

 

[Green Printer]

D Ink Man you have baited us all up. We are all waiting.

 

[Lukew]

Do you all want the exacting method to perform an ink laboratory color strength bleach test? There's your mileage.
D

This only finds the pigment strength/load in the ink..
It does not give you the real world mileage test....

Give your highest strength ink and I will run it with a fount that contains a concentrated 80% glycol, as well as 15% - 20% alcohol....
I will then put an ink designed for non solvent fountain solution along with the correct fount and compare the findings

I know which one will have less overall pigment but will trump your ink set in terms of mileage...

 

[fiatlux]

D Ink Man you have baited us all up. We are all waiting.

It looks like D Ink Man is just a Troll.



FL

 

[Lukew]

page 3 shows far more effects on ink mileage to prove a bleach test means didly squat
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...9LH3Bg&usg=AFQjCNG39H_rZDWpQdo33NwkSeXQc-KnBg

 

[D Ink Man]

I have contributed to the Print Planet forums for over 3 years. I try to offer intelligent, witty posts and replies from my experience in the printing and ink industry. I am not out to try to please someone, in fact I enjoy the debates of the subjects between the participants. I only post and reply on subjects that I feel I have great expertise on. I read the other headline posts to try to learn something, but rarely participate unless I have a question. There is much to learn here at Print Planet. The trick is to separate the factual from the fictional. It has gotten now to the point where I have been called a troll. My contributions have no value, it's obvious. I feel at this time it is no longer necessary to share my key strokes with the forum. Best wishes to you all. I am sorry I have been a disappointment. D Ink Man

 

[Deleted member 16349]

I have a few comments or views on this subject that maybe are of interest to get this topic off the usual skill based view point that tends to lead to endless discussions.

First I would say that I am not so interested in ink mileage per se. What I would be more interested is in ink performance overall. Saving paper seems to me to be much more important than saving ink or saving ink cost.

I am quite happy with the idea that if one wants to talk about the ink mileage of the ink then I would accept the idea that ink strength directly related to ink mileage.

On press things might be different as many examples have been presented have shown but that to me is a different set of questions.

If one thinks of ink mileage as an on press performance value, then you have to do on press testing or monitoring which is not consistent and controllable to the extent that you will get a practical number.

If one thinks of ink mileage as strictly an ink quality issue, I am happy to think in terms of ink strength.

From a manufacturing view point I have never thought playing around with inks was a good idea as long as they are working properly. Changing properties of an ink to get some minor cost benefit can lead to all kinds of other problems with prepress data and other unknowns.

It is just in the nature of skilled people to want to do something, while it is in the nature of a manufacturing manager not to do something that may upset the balance of complicated manufacturing issues.

 

[Lukew]

I don't think calling someone who has offered technical info towards the forum for a long period of time a "troll" is acceptable.
D Ink Man - I'm sure your info if put forth would be appreciated by fellow members so please continue.

 

[Green Printer]

This forum is for learning and sharing. This is going to be taken all wrong and I apologize before I make this comment. I had no idea what the troll reference was about and it's association to the Internet. I searched google now I know.

 

[Alois Senefelder]

Reconsider

Reconsider

Hello D Ink Man


I valued the contribution you made to this forum, hopefully you will

reconsider your decision to leave.


Regards, Alois