Presstek DI 52

Hi
We were thinking into installing a new Presstek DI 52, does anybody knows if the machine is reliable: consumables, maintenance, service contract etc... what would it cost and can you make a profit with the market the way it's going today.
I come from the old school where the press is one piece and the prepress and the CTP is another.
We use to have GTO 52, used to run great but takes a while for the make-ready.
Anybody with information about it will be very helpful
Thanks
 
Just my opinion

Just my opinion

I feel your pain. For the $$$$ you spend on a DI is it really worth it? It is a combo CTP and offset machine that uses propriety supplies, service and consumables. Not to mention the environmental needs of this machine. The DI in my opinion still lacks the pop and color gloss of a traditional printing press and has no VDP capabilities or coating options unless you purchase aftermarket products to do so. A simple Ryobi 3304 will print as good and cost you a fraction of the cost of a DI.
Depending on your customers and niche the DI may suit your needs. Maybe also consider a NexPress or IGEN or TP344 for your needs.
Any sales weasel can make the numbers look good as to why their product is better so ask additional questions also. Such as:
How much is service contract per year?
What does it cover? How much is a set of ink rollers going to cost? How often do they need to replaced? Request a job history of all running 52DI’s and call a few customers at random. Maybe establish a relationship with them to broker your printing, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free? Request a fixed price for your plates for the term of your lease. ETC!!!
If you like companies that are a Razor and Blade type of operation than Presstek is for you.
Good luck
OG
 
OffsetGuy has a strong bias against Presstek for some reason. Here's another view. We installed a Presstek 52DI in April of '07 to replace two worn out QMDIs. Granted, a DI can't do some things toner machines can do like variable data (we have four toner printers) but it does offer capabilities that can augment a short run printing business. I would encourage you to talk directly with a Presstek sales person and a product specialist to discuss your needs. They are not weasels. You should also attend one of Presstek's demonstrations. They will run your files on the stock you specify and the demo press operators are very knowledgeable and can answer any questions you have.

Presstek is in the business of selling consumables for their machines. But instead of a negative I think that makes them very interested in making sure your press is not only productive but profitable. I have been very happy with their support. We have had some issues but they responded quickly and professionally to make things work. They know if the machine isn't running we are not using plates!

Heidelberg presented me with a CTP plus small press alternative but our workflow is set up around a DI machine and it didn't fit for me. Whether that solution works for you is for you to determine. I think DI presses have their place and I can say without reservation that the Presstek 52DI is the best on the market. Good luck.
 
John Roberds

John Roberds

I think owning a DI would construe your opinion as BIASED also. I do not own one or never would consider one, or recommend one to a customer of mine... I would put my money into a better product to produce my work. I prefer true offset printing
I am a small offset press expert in the 11X17 to 14X20 range and I feel there are alternatives to put ink on paper without sacrificing quality and cost per sheet. I see it done every day with the 3302/3304 and other fine manufactures such as hiedleberg, sakuri and Hamada etc.
I hope you are enjoying your DI and the cost of ownership. Maybe you can share your costs for plates, service, lease and other factors so people can make an educated decision on whether to purchase a DI.
The machine shell is built by Ryobi and Ptek supplies the lasers and plates and consumables. Service is done by Ryobi dealers except the 52DI which is a Ptek only machine for now.
Does this statement bother you? We intend to use our leverage to move people into DI printing?
OG
 
I work in a place with several Ptek DI presses. At the time we bought them, it made sense, as making that number of plates would have constituted a violet platesetter, and we still would have needed to buy the presses. We've had very good luck with the QMDIs, especially with that generation of lasers (circa 2001). I don't think we've had more than maybe one laser fail over four machines.

We're an inhouse mailing operation with a huge mailing responsibility with runs that are typically beyond what the DI plates can handle, so we also have a need for metal plates. When that operation went online at the same time, the CTP options were nowhere near as robust as they are now. It's enough of a difference that we needed to replace our existing Presstek CTP option with a newer, faster and fully automated machine.

What we see now with the new fully auto thermal CTP device is that there is little to no reason to have those DIs. The platesetter is fast enough that our narrow web press + our new platesetter is faster than the DIs to get off say, 1000 copies.

While I realize we're unusual in how we work, it's been very clear to us that the DI's have a very limited scope in the market. I suspect if you consider an automated plate hanging press, and even an *unautomated* fast thermal platesetter, you'd be within spitting distance of the DIs.
And you'd have more latitude in your choice of plates and setter(not just Presstek), and most importantly in your workflow. Presstek takes a standard 1bit tiff (at least in my scenarios) and rotates it 90 degrees (I think they figured that they'd only be dealing with Quark's non-PostScript compliant output methods) and adds a Presstek header label. Big deal. Thanks a lot for turning a generally compliant data format into something vaguely proprietary. What this means is that this press has RIP options on par with a color copier. And if you want to get around that, prepare to jump through arcane prepress hoops to do so.

The market has shifted substantially since the DI took off, and I think it's clear to those that own them, that the money would have been better spent keeping the imaging offline. Especially if you're going to output to more than just that DI.

I think a lot of the appeal for these presses comes from a press operator/owner mindset; that this bundled operation can nearly eliminate prepress by adding the platesetting to the press, etc. Now all that prepress has to worry about is imposition, right? Yeah, uhm, no. Files are still going to be awful to deal with, and now the prep operators don't have a say in the workflow they have to live and die with. And I'd almost guarantee that the plates offered will be significantly more expensive than any other alternatives.

If you're really considering a DI, you really have to look at what alternatives are out there and do an in-depth financial comparison, and not just at purchasing time, but down the road. Do you want to depreciate a CTP machine and press out separately and replace them at five and ten years respectively, or squeeze out ten years of a prepress/plate operation because you need to keep making money off that press? And just what is that depreciation going to look like compared to the conventional CTP&press arrangement?

It's a lot bigger question than just plate to plate register and on press imaging benefits.
 
Imho

Imho

Avisciciulli,

I truly enjoyed your post. Your honesty and real time view of printing industry trends will no doubt help other people select a machine and solution for their needs.
I still honestly believe an offline CTP system and a real offset press will no doubt save production time and most of all provide a profit margin far superior to anything offered by the proprietary only companies producing these pricey machines.
The big push presently is for all printers to be lean and green and save the planet etc. When IMHO the digital pushers have no clue what they are doing to our industry.
Pretty soon there will be one global printing company to service the world with a W2P web site if people keep buying into this crap.
I applaud technology but sometimes consumers need to look at all options.
OG
 
Can someone tell me what % off of list is a fair or reasonable price to pay for an iGen 4? My company recently compared the Indigo to the iGen and we were shocked to see how much more the Xerox was. Xerox presented 10% off of list in this economy , wow. This would be our first major transaction with Xerox and the idea that they can ask for close to list price with other options in the industry for much less is hard to swallow.
 
The iGen is quite a bit more then a 5500, but are fairly close for a 7000 and iGen4 comparison. You should have the volume to run both the 7000 and iGen4 16-24 hours a day to consider these solutions. You should also understand if you will run smaller then A3 and lots of specialty stocks then the indigo is not an ideal solution. You should also compare service and click charges you could pay more for a machine but pay less over the life when these two costs are added in.
 
Need Presstek 34DI technician

Need Presstek 34DI technician

Hello,

I am a new member. I don't know how to post a new message, so I just reply this thread.
I am looking for a Presstek 34DI technician other than technician from Presstek.
We are located in Belmont, CA. ( San Francisco Bay Area ).

I don't buy $18,000/year Presstek service contract, so you know what happen.

Right this moment I have problem with Eroor E-025/5100 while imaging.
Presstek technician trying to help over the phone with no luck.
He does not want to come and leaving me with the jobs that over due.

Please HELP.

Thanks,

Yokto
 
Hi Yokto I can not remember exactly what that error is but what exactly is happening? Does it start to image and then stop? or does it roll into position and then does not start imaging?

Have you tried purging your compressor and then let it fill up again before starting to burn plates again? I know if your pressure is not correct then this can affect imaging.
 
Can someone tell me what % off of list is a fair or reasonable price to pay for an iGen 4? My company recently compared the Indigo to the iGen and we were shocked to see how much more the Xerox was. Xerox presented 10% off of list in this economy , wow. This would be our first major transaction with Xerox and the idea that they can ask for close to list price with other options in the industry for much less is hard to swallow.


Xerox sales reps are the biggest scammers out there (mind you most of them are). A close friend of mine sells for Xerox here in Canada and has told me some of the BS they play with customers.

They have this thing called "Flex". The way it works is like this - Lets say a printer is $100,000 List, but they currently can sell it for $90,000 because of some internal promo. Well if they can sell it for $100,000, they've added 10K flex to the contract, and the sales reps gets 1/2 of it.

That being said, there is ALOT of encouragement for reps to sell these machines for disgustingly over valued prices.

That being said, my friend does sell the small machines and doesn't touch iGens, but one could only assume that a company that encourages this behavoir on a lower level would encourage it higher up as well.
 
bhm8hwcm,
Sorry I was away for the Memorial weekend.
I tried purging the compressor, but still the same.
It start imaging and then stop after show one green bar on the progress window.

Thanks for the response.
 
I called last Wednesday. They came today 11 am and just left 3 pm.
He said MAYBE the Laser hardness or motor is going bad but not sure.
He ordered it. I have to call him tomorrow when the parts are here.
Wish me luck.
 
Dear Mr. Yokto


I wonder if you could tell me something.

If I am not wrong you are a Presstek DI 32 owner. I wonder if you could tell me the price of the DI 32 Presstek. I am an Asian and my english isnt very good. I am very interested in Presstek DI 52II but didnt manage to know the price. So i would be estimating the price with DI 32 Presstek.

The only problem i am having with my other offsets is that it take time to get the Pinning stuff fixed. It also waste papers + time before it is ready. I wonder if there is any other good Digital Offset press which can be handled easily. The only press i know right now Presstek DI 52 II.
If you have any other opinion I would be glad to hear it.


Thankz you
Harry @ Nyan Htun
 
Strikers62

Strikers62

Hello

I use to work for Presstek and have installed and trained people on the D.I. products for Presstek. This machine is ok if you like to run short runs or under 20,000 sheets.
I also know where there is a used 52D.I. for sale if you wish to discuss this further.
Please feel free to contact me or wish to discuss.

Hi
We were thinking into installing a new Presstek DI 52, does anybody knows if the machine is reliable: consumables, maintenance, service contract etc... what would it cost and can you make a profit with the market the way it's going today.
I come from the old school where the press is one piece and the prepress and the CTP is another.
We use to have GTO 52, used to run great but takes a while for the make-ready.
Anybody with information about it will be very helpful
Thanks
 
Having a mare here...anyone help with error code E-033.....can't get press to unlatch or move at all.

All help appreciated
 

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