The C6501 is the replacement for the C6500. Stay clear of the embedded Fiery if you plan on doing any type of VDP other than FreeForm, because it does not have the power needed, and will lock up. The Xerox DC700 was designed to compete with the C6500/6501. The DC260 can't handle the heavy gloss stocks that the C6501 can. By the way, if your not in a hurry you may want to check out the soon to be released Ricoh Pro C900.
Konica c6501 vs Xerox docucolor 260
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random
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You are not really doing enough volume for a happy machine. But in saying that 8 a month is a bit over board. If you could be more specific with what your problems have been I may be able to help you.
Craig
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None what so ever, as a matter of fact we sell to one of the other printers in town that prints 4 color on Heidelberg's and they find it hard to believe how well it prints. In All Weights Node there is very little sheen, but I do have a few customers request the sheen look
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Craig
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Could be spot color transparencies as well.
Steve_S
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... but I do have a few customers request the sheen look
That is why we have not ditched the 6060. We have a couple clients that absolutely will not do without that baked on pile.
Craig
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random
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Well, really - it's a bit of a necessity if you want to be accurate with your colors. If you don't have one then you would be calibrating using the scanner which could alter in time depending on how clean the tech keeps the optics.
If you deal a bit with spot colors then I wouldn't think twice about getting one. Your client could bring in there corporate colours (which may not be a pantone (it happens)) and all you would need to do is sample the color with the spectro and it is in the rip.
But if near enough is good enough and spots aren't your thing then you could give it a miss. These are just a couple of things you could do depending on the software you get with it.
If you deal a bit with spot colors then I wouldn't think twice about getting one. Your client could bring in there corporate colours (which may not be a pantone (it happens)) and all you would need to do is sample the color with the spectro and it is in the rip.
But if near enough is good enough and spots aren't your thing then you could give it a miss. These are just a couple of things you could do depending on the software you get with it.
Steve_S
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Spectrophotometer
Spectrophotometer
Unless you plan to use it as a copier, you will need the device to keep color calibrated. If you try from the glass, not only are you at the mercy of your tech's cleanliness, but you are relying on the "copier" technology of the machine to control color for your print engine.
Spectrophotometer
Unless you plan to use it as a copier, you will need the device to keep color calibrated. If you try from the glass, not only are you at the mercy of your tech's cleanliness, but you are relying on the "copier" technology of the machine to control color for your print engine.
graphic914
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I was looking into the 260, what should I expect to pay monthly on a lease? Probably need the fiery and pro finisher by the way.
I'm just curious, but are people starting to use the km6501 or similar machines to do spot color work? Are you taking jobs off the press and running it with the 6501?
I do a lot of spot color but have not tried to do any spot color work on the 6501. I try to keep the spot color jobs on the press and mostly run non-spot color stuff on the copier.
Steve_S
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Spot
Spot
Absolutely. We made that decision before ours was even delivered. Every business card we run now goes digital unless it is part of a high end corporate identity package where multiple pieces go together off press. Our customers love the consistency of knowing they don't have half a box where the pressman was a little light on ink or a little heavy on water. The only other reason we plate business cards is for thermo or spot + foil. And you can run a lot of bc's on the 6500 before a plate cost is covered, let alone paying a pressman.
Spot
Absolutely. We made that decision before ours was even delivered. Every business card we run now goes digital unless it is part of a high end corporate identity package where multiple pieces go together off press. Our customers love the consistency of knowing they don't have half a box where the pressman was a little light on ink or a little heavy on water. The only other reason we plate business cards is for thermo or spot + foil. And you can run a lot of bc's on the 6500 before a plate cost is covered, let alone paying a pressman.
I can see this being true if you have a new customer but it would be hard to move previous printed spot color business card jobs to the 6501. I just can't see the quality being the same when you print a spot color on the press and then trying to run that same job on the copier.
Steve_S
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Spot Color
Spot Color
We do it all the time and we have very picky customers. A lot of it comes down to set up and having a solid operator. There have been very few Pantones we cannot reproduce accurately and have very pleased customers to show for it.
We also have done a lot of Black plus 2 spots and offer the customer a better rate. They save some, but we make so much more than that hassle on press.
Also, we run almost every black ink business card on the digital color machines also. It doesn't make sense to do it any other way. For a black click, it takes about 8 - 10k cards before you can justify a plate.
Spot Color
We do it all the time and we have very picky customers. A lot of it comes down to set up and having a solid operator. There have been very few Pantones we cannot reproduce accurately and have very pleased customers to show for it.
We also have done a lot of Black plus 2 spots and offer the customer a better rate. They save some, but we make so much more than that hassle on press.
Also, we run almost every black ink business card on the digital color machines also. It doesn't make sense to do it any other way. For a black click, it takes about 8 - 10k cards before you can justify a plate.
The machine is still fairly new to me so I've never done the alignment. I guess I should figure out how to do that.
Does that DC645 do gutter cuts for full bleed business cards? I've been looking for a good gutter cut slitter. I'm currently using the cutter to make those cuts and it's extremely time consuming.
Does that DC645 do gutter cuts for full bleed business cards? I've been looking for a good gutter cut slitter. I'm currently using the cutter to make those cuts and it's extremely time consuming.
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Steve_S
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Dc645
Dc645
Sorry I missed that second part, the DC 645 cuts full bleed. We use the same template for all. The business card slitter and die scoring were the main reasons we bought it but you'll need some volume as it is a spendy piece of gear. And Duplo is $$$ on service.
Dc645
Sorry I missed that second part, the DC 645 cuts full bleed. We use the same template for all. The business card slitter and die scoring were the main reasons we bought it but you'll need some volume as it is a spendy piece of gear. And Duplo is $$$ on service.
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