Nexfinity vs Iridesse Vs Igen

raminmd

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Hi all,

As a quick background, we do a lot of very high quality (not quite photographic but close) on demand prints. We also mail almost everything we print. We have had the Kodak NexPress for the last 5 years. We also have a Ricoh 9100 as our second press. The Kodak is our primary and gets most off the volume. It is high maintenance but it was a good fit for us especially with their light black application. We put in around 1.5 million A4 clicks per month overall.

We are looking for a new press as our lease is up on both presses and they are showing their age. While we never really considered any other press except a Nexfinity for our next press, we are now seriously looking at Xerox Iridesse/Igen as well in addition to the Nexfinity. With changes in Kodak's service plans and other service related factors, we are not quite as sure about getting a Nexfinity. The Indigo is just too expensive and probably is not a great fit for us because of the adherence issue.

We ran some of our sample files on all three presses (Kodak/Iridesse/Igen) that we are considering as our primary press. Surprisingly, the Iridesse was almost the same as the Kodak (with light black) print quality wise. The IGen's output was just not up there. It was definitely worse than the Iridesse or the Nexfinity. I have a few questions about the Iridesse -

1.) Can it be a consistent primary press? We need the front to back registration to be perfect. We do a fair amount of booklets. The Nexpress holds the registration really well for the most part. Will the Iridesse hold it well.

2.) How is the color consistency over a time period. We will be putting around a million A4 clicks or more on the Iridesse (if it is our primary press) over the next 5 years. Will it be good at that kind of volume. The reason I am asking this is because before the Kodak, we had the Ricoh 9100 as our main press. I like the Ricoh 9100. It has been a good second press for us but holding color was a nightmare on there after a certain period of time. Even with regular calibrations, color just would not be consistent. I understand this is digital printing but the Nexpress does a good job with getting consistent color.

3.) Are the Iridesse and the Nexfinity comparable as far a the build quality is concerned. We have two shifts adding up to 16 hours. Can the press hold up with that kind of use? The Nexfinity comes with its own environmental control unit and has air and water connections. The Iridesse does not need any of that. That makes me worry that it is not in the same class as the Nexfinity.

Are there any other presses including inkjet that I could be looking at?

Thanks,
 

Stickman42

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I upgraded from Versant 80s to an Iridesse a year ago. We have been extremely pleased with how it performs with regard to color consistency, front/back and sheet-to-sheet registration, and time between service calls. Bear in mind our monthly volumes are 100K-200K large sheets (12 x 18). Xerox would equate this to twice as many clicks as they define prints as 8.5 x 11.

Check page 6 of the attached document. Your volume alone may be too much for the machine, eliminating it as a contender.
 

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raminmd

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Thank you for that info. We have been told that the press can run 1 million - 1.25 million A4 clicks a month with no issues. This document definitely contradicts that. This is definitely something I need to get a clarification from them on.
 

Stickman42

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Thank you for that info. We have been told that the press can run 1 million - 1.25 million A4 clicks a month with no issues. This document definitely contradicts that. This is definitely something I need to get a clarification from them on.
After 35+ years working with Xerox and Canon equipment, one thing has remained consistent: service techs have been far more accurate than sales with setting performance expectations.
 

Stickman42

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Thank you for that info. We have been told that the press can run 1 million - 1.25 million A4 clicks a month with no issues. This document definitely contradicts that. This is definitely something I need to get a clarification from them on.
I believe it's Xerox's policy to get a customer to sign the Expectations Document before a sale can go through. I view the doc as a positive because it's usually more realistic than what may be verbally promised.
 

azehnali

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there is no way you can run that kind of volume on any digital press
maybe an igen but thats about it
 

Lorenzo lab guy

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Raminmd, you mention "not quite photographic quality" - an aside, we ran some tests of Felix Schoeller ePhoto on a XeroxV4100and it is very, very close to photo quality. Probably fine for a consumer grade photo lab. Lab owners ( me - 40 years running a photo lab) are very conservative on this stuff but there is some opportunity here to shake up traditional production methods.
 

chriscozi

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The IGen's output was just not up there. It was definitely worse than the Iridesse or the Nexfinity.
Wow.

If I had to guess I would say that the operator on the iGen must have done something wrong.
We consistently find better results on the iGen.
We use a Gracol curve (with a scanned target on EFi software on a regular basis) and it rivals our 6c Mitsubishi for consistency and fidelity.

PS - I do know that the business class vendors (Xerox, Fuji, etc.) have been trumpeting the Iridesse these last two quarters.
 
If you want high maintenance and poor service go with Xerox. If you want low cost and high quality go with Kodak. We dropped Xerox after 23 years. Too many breakdowns and very expensive to operate. Kodak has been a very pleasant surprise.
 

raminmd

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Hi all, thanks for your replies. Chriscozi, to answer your question, the samples came from Xerox Rochester. We had the same files printed by them on the Iridesse and Igen. Between Ricoh/Kodak/Igen and Iridesse, the Igen samples were easily the worst. Xerox themselves told me that the Iridesse would be a better fit for us as far as quality is concerned. The Igen is great with high volumes but we were very underwhelmed by the output. To be specific when I say quality, I am talking about the print quality of pictures of people and homes. There seems to be a lot of "noise" on these pics with the Igen. The print seem very grainy. That's about the best way I can put it. We did not see that with the Iridesse or the other presses. We are definitely considering the Nexfinity since we have the Nexpress and love the quality. However, we are also looking at other options as well due to a few reasons. The issue with the Versant is the duty cycle. It just would not be close to enough. We would love to get an Inkjet but I don't think we are quite there yet with volumes. I also don't think Inkjets are quite there yet with quality as well. I definitely after this lease cycle, we will probably get an inkjet. How does the KM 14000 compare. It seems like it has a great duty cycle and seems to have great specs. I spoke to another print shop owner today that loves it and thinks it might a great it for us. For what it is worth, I reached out to KM today as well.
 

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