I've been going through the process of getting a new Digital Press for our Print Shop. I need some inputs from those who have been using these models.
I have the proposals from the big 4 Xerox, Ricoh, Canon and Konica for the following models.
Xerox Versant 180/ with and without the Performance package + Vivid Color option
Ricoh C7200e (4 Colors) / C7210X (5 Colors)
Canon ImagePress C910
I have compared the print samples from all of the machines mentioned above on the same paper. From quality/registration/color standpoint, we narrowed down to either Ricoh or Xerox.
We ruled out the Konica because we don't like its glossy look. Ricoh/Xerox gave the most matte look compared to other brands since we like our prints to be as close to offset look as possible.
Price wise: We found the pricing is in the order of Ricoh, Xerox, Konica, Canon (cheapest). Click charge is pretty much the same. I'm not too concerned about the cost. You get what you pay for is our philosophy.
I've read a lot of posts on this forum. Everyone has something good and bad to say about all these models and the services.
Now, we are in Northern California where we are surrounded by these companies so services should not be a problem for any of these vendors.
I've narrowed down to a few negative points about the Xerox Versant 180 and Ricoh 7200 that might matter to us.
Xerox Versant 180:
1. 2nd BTR issue: lines on roller which causes bad streaking. This issue magnifies when running long NCR jobs or coated stocks.
2. Some people said they have experienced some issue with thicker stock and coated stock.
We tend to push the limit of the printer with different kind of stocks. Ranging from NCR (11"x17") to 12pt, 14pt, 16pt, 110lb , 130lb, coated, uncoated, metallic, synthetic, pvc.
Wanted to try some cotton stock as well but have not dared to try yet. Anyone tried to feed cotton stock through their digital printers yet?
Cotton stocks are mostly used for our Foil/LetterPress machines and pretty thick.
1. Envelope printing is a bit hotter than other brands where #10 Envelopes with Windows (even with the Digital safe version) might be wrinkled a little bit
2. Certain size and types of envelopes will need to have flap opened in order to print properly. We print A1, A2, A7, A7+, 6x9, #9, #10 with/without windows regularly.
Anyone has experienced with those Xerox/Ricoh models and tell me if my findings are accurate or not true?
We are Commercial Printer where we print almost anything from business cards/postcards/NCR/envelopes, etc. to high end invitations and other large format stuff.
We still run a lot of stuff on our old school Offset machines but we are slowly trying to get rid of those and moving more to Digital machines.
Sorry I have no idea, but I got the impression that it was a know problem as when he looked at the machine he said, "Hold on I have to get something from the van" He did not come back carrying boxes; consequently I presume it was just a tool he had forgot to bring. He only spent 15 minutes on each machine to resolve the problem, again giving the impression it was no big deal, but whatever he reconfigured it is still working today.can you find out what he did on the versant to get rid of the issue
please try to ask himSorry I have no idea, but I got the impression that it was a know problem as when he looked at the machine he said, "Hold on I have to get something from the van" He did not come back carrying boxes; consequently I presume it was just a tool he had forgot to bring. He only spent 15 minutes on each machine to resolve the problem, again giving the impression it was no big deal, but whatever he reconfigured it is still working today.
That's good to know, will have to ask our tech if they've heard these changes.Xerox have new BTR part numbers for the V180 from the older V80 style. They have also introduced a number of NVM changes to the way the BTR behaves. Since all of this, we have seen a drastic improvement on BTR life in the field. We have also had a lot of our customers change their silk stocks to Silver Digital, which is great stock. We don't consider the BTR too much of an issue now. I keep them in the car, but I am not replacing nearly as many.
Sorry I really feel you shouldn't be putting opinions forward on other threads regarding the V180 until you solve the issues you have with your new machine.I hate my V180 so I wouldn't vouch for it. Alignment all over the place.
On the envelope issue..are you turning off double feed detect and skew detect..we run envelopes fine on our ricoh 7100Check to see if Xerox has a program to let you work on the machine if it goes down, Ricoh has the TRCU program where they will train you to fix quite a bit on the machine and it is a huge time saver when you go down, they also keep parts on site.
I am still testing the 7200e I had installed last week so I will hold off judgment till I have had it a while longer, I have a 7110 still and have been happy with that model. I never could get the 7110 to feed envelopes and I am working on that with the 7200e.
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