A3 office copiers that don't slow down at 120 gsm

[Laith]

Hi
Are there A3 office dry toner copiers that don't slow down at 120 gsm A4 plain paper? If none, then at least at 100 gsm A4 plain paper.
Thanks

 

[azehnali]

you can run that as 90 gsm on any xerox and it will not slow down

 

[Laith]

you can run that as 90 gsm on any xerox and it will not slow down

If I select 90 gsm in paper settings while using 120 gsm or even 100 gsm paper, making the printer run at faster than what it was designed for, then I expect consumables to deteriorate faster than published by the manufacturer, for example: transfer belt.

I am looking for printers that are designed not to slow down at these grammages.
Thanks

 

[pippip]

If the 20gsm is effecting your proposed printer then you're way off the right printer for your needs.

The fact that you think that such a small difference will effect consumables also raises questions as 20gsm is nothing.

What volume per month are you expecting to run?

 

[Laith]

If the 20gsm is effecting your proposed printer then you're way off the right printer for your needs.

The fact that you think that such a small difference will effect consumables also raises questions as 20gsm is nothing.

What volume per month are you expecting to run?

I am thinking of starting a small print shop. Let us say 7000 pages per month, in 100 and 120 gsm A4 plain paper.

 

[TJPrinter]

Not sure what speeds you're looking for, but the Xerox Primelink C9265, C9275, and C9281 will all run at rated speeds up to 128gsm on uncoated stocks for A3.

 

[Ynot_UK]

If I select 90 gsm in paper settings while using 120 gsm or even 100 gsm paper, making the printer run at faster than what it was designed for, then I expect consumables to deteriorate faster than published by the manufacturer, for example: transfer belt.

I am looking for printers that are designed not to slow down at these grammages.
Thanks

Whilst for significant differences the fusing process (toner adhesion) can become a problem, I'd only expect to see that if you're say running 250GSM as 80GSM.
For uncoated plain (not textured) 100 or 120GSM, run as 80GSM, it will just run and you'll notice no difference.
Don't leave the substrate in the drawer when service visit

 

[Ynot_UK]

I am thinking of starting a small print shop. Let us say 7000 pages per month, in 100 and 120 gsm A4 plain paper.

Do you have a specific customer or job lined up for A4 prints on 100/120GSM? Just it's very specific.
Most general/commercial print shops use oversized sheets and trim to the finished size. Mainly for two reasons - you can't print A4 full bleed jobs onto A4, also most CPC contracts are based around an SRA3 click charge. Although office MFPs are typically based around an A4 click, with A3 being double, SRA3 likewise (if the machine can do SRA3)

 

[azehnali]

If I select 90 gsm in paper settings while using 120 gsm or even 100 gsm paper, making the printer run at faster than what it was designed for, then I expect consumables to deteriorate faster than published by the manufacturer, for example: transfer belt.

I am looking for printers that are designed not to slow down at these grammages.
Thanks

who told you that?

 

[Laith]

Do you have a specific customer or job lined up for A4 prints on 100/120GSM? Just it's very specific.
Most general/commercial print shops use oversized sheets and trim to the finished size. Mainly for two reasons - you can't print A4 full bleed jobs onto A4, also most CPC contracts are based around an SRA3 click charge. Although office MFPs are typically based around an A4 click, with A3 being double, SRA3 likewise (if the machine can do SRA3)

Thanks for the input from your previous reply.

I don't have jobs lined up. I didn't start the shop yet.

I am not planning on using a guillotine, at least for now.

I will check click charges from dealers.

 

[Laith]

who told you that?

No one did. But since they slow down, they do so for a reason.
For example, the Konica C368 (an old copier) slows down at anything above 90 gsm if I recall, to roughly half speed.

 

[azehnali]

the reason why sheets slow down is for fusing purpose
there isnt much of a difference in a 90 gsm and 100 or 120 gsm paper

 

[Ynot_UK]

Thanks for the input from your previous reply.

I don't have jobs lined up. I didn't start the shop yet.

I am not planning on using a guillotine, at least for now.

I will check click charges from dealers.

Tip: A guillotine is the most used piece of equipment in a general/commercial print shop. You'll use it every day, probably 9/10 jobs we do involve the guillotine.
You may get away without having a booklet maker, laminator & drill (certainly at the start, whilst you start to see what finishing kit you need) but the guillotine is as important as a means of printing.

 

[Laith]

Tip: A guillotine is the most used piece of equipment in a general/commercial print shop. You'll use it every day, probably 9/10 jobs we do involve the guillotine.
You may get away without having a booklet maker, laminator & drill (certainly at the start, whilst you start to see what finishing kit you need) but the guillotine is as important as a means of printing.

I worked in a bookshop in Oman. They never had an electric guillotine. Most bookshops do not have it as well, because they mostly do not print with bleed.
A subsequent step will surely be obtaining one.

 

[TJPrinter]

No one did. But since they slow down, they do so for a reason.
For example, the Konica C368 (an old copier) slows down at anything above 90 gsm if I recall, to roughly half speed.

Even the older Xerox Primelink C9070 will not slow down to half speed for stocks over 100gsm. Take a look at this chart. Personally I would have no issue running a 120gsm uncoated stock as 100gsm if the 10 pages per minute on the A3 was a big deal. Fusing is the issue, and at worst it will show in your output but the difference between 105gms and 120gsm is not significant.

 

[Laith]

Even the older Xerox Primelink C9070 will not slow down to half speed for stocks over 100gsm. Take a look at this chart. Personally I would have no issue running a 120gsm uncoated stock as 100gsm if the 10 pages per minute on the A3 was a big deal. Fusing is the issue, and at worst it will show in your output but the difference between 105gms and 120gsm is not significant.

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I hope office machines get their speeds published at higher grammages, like the numbers you showed above.