Looking for cip3 software

Zerge

Member
Hello everyone.
I'm looking for a cip3 software, that works with composite pdf's.
..
What I have:
Harleqin rip without cip3 plugin and PressPerCent for generate CIP3's. But PreressPerCent doesn't work with spot colors in composite pdf's.
Without spot colors there are no problems — one PDF/X-3:2002 file fo all, but with spot I need to generate two files — for RIP and cip3 and for on-screen control. It is not very elegant way.
..
What I want:
Do not depend on RIP and use standalone application.
Use only one file for RIP, cip3 and visual on-screen control.
...or advice for a correct solution from Heidelberg, Esko, etc
 

Martin Mueller

Well-known member
Hi Zerge,

with the Harlequin RIP and PressPerCent you are still really well equipped.
You are right, PressPerCent only uses the internal Quartz PDF engine of the MAC and cannot process spot colors.

However, PressPerCent can also work with Harlequin 1bit TIFF separations, combine them (see attached screenshot) and output them correctly via the CIP3 PPF.plugin.
 

Attachments

  • TIFFSeps2CIP3.jpg
    TIFFSeps2CIP3.jpg
    479.4 KB · Views: 428

Zerge

Member
Hi, Martin and thanks for your advice.
output them correctly via the CIP3 PPF.plugin.
Do you mean Harlequin RIP plugin? I dont have it and use PressPerCent.
Now I have to generate a separated .PS-file and send it to RIP and to PPC. And generate PDF to visual control. Its a lot of megabytes, time and... looks very archaic.
 

workflowmaster

New member
Have you considered Heidelberg's Meta Dimension? It's kinda all in one RIP, uses Adobe PDF engine, outputs TIFF-B (one-bit TIFF @ resolutions up to 5080 dpi), PDF, composite TIFF, JPG and CIP3 data. Connects also directly to colour proofers and windows printer drivers, and, of course, Heidelberg's platesetters. It has an internal previewer ("on-screen proof" at 300 dpi) as well. Accepts PDF, PS, JPEG, TIFF as input. Last version is 2017, works on Windows 10 Pro and Server 2019.
 

deaner

Member
You also might check out these guys...


Creates CIP data directly from the TIFF output of your Harlequin (no need for the CIP plugin) and converts to Heidelberg's proprietary format for press. Not as cheap a solution as PressPerCent, but a heck of a lot cheaper than Harlequin's own solution or Heidelberg Prinect. Plus, one install of this system can drive multiple presses with no extra licensing fees.
 

Martin Mueller

Well-known member
Hi, Martin and thanks for your advice.

Do you mean Harlequin RIP plugin? I dont have it and use PressPerCent.
Now I have to generate a separated .PS-file and send it to RIP and to PPC. And generate PDF to visual control. Its a lot of megabytes, time and... looks very archaic.

Hi Zerge,

you wrote that you got a Harlequin RIP. All you need is the TIFF-plugin of the Harlequin RIP for producing 1bit TIFF separated files (CMYK & Spot). Then you load these seperations into PressPerCent using the setup I sent you. PPP will merge these separations together again and do the CIP3 generation.
 

Martin Mueller

Well-known member
Hi, Martin and thanks for your advice.

Do you mean Harlequin RIP plugin? I dont have it and use PressPerCent.
Now I have to generate a separated .PS-file and send it to RIP and to PPC. And generate PDF to visual control. Its a lot of megabytes, time and... looks very archaic.

Zerge,

as input file for the Harlequin RIP it is better to use composite PDF or PS-files and not seperations. The important part is that you sent TIFF seperations to PPP which can be merged. Then all spot colors are processed correctly for the CIP3 generation.
 

Zerge

Member
Hello, colleagues!
Thanks for your advices very much!
Heidelberg's Meta Dimension
Yes, now I'm negotiating the price. Very interesting, very easy and very... ""Heidelbergeous" software in the best sense of this "word".
check out these guys...
Talking about the price with them toо.
I think, the price is higher than PPC because of external PDF engine (Martin spoken about it upper).

as input file for the Harlequin RIP it is better to use composite PDF or PS-files and not seperations.
Hmm. Why not separations? What problems might arise with separated PS-files?
The important part is that you sent TIFF seperations to PPP which can be merged.
My fault, I didn't explain all the nuances to you — RIP and PPC is installed on two different computers — Win10+RIP and Mac+PPC. The load on the local network will be too high during transmission 1-bit TIFFs.
I'll try though, thank you!
 

Martin Mueller

Well-known member
Hello, colleagues!
Thanks for your advices very much!

Yes, now I'm negotiating the price. Very interesting, very easy and very... ""Heidelbergeous" software in the best sense of this "word".

Talking about the price with them toо.
I think, the price is higher than PPC because of external PDF engine (Martin spoken about it upper).


Hmm. Why not separations? What problems might arise with separated PS-files?

My fault, I didn't explain all the nuances to you — RIP and PPC is installed on two different computers — Win10+RIP and Mac+PPC. The load on the local network will be too high during transmission 1-bit TIFFs.
I'll try though, thank you!
Zerge,
1. Separated PS-files which are not produced by the HQ-RIP like your printing plates are , could cause problems in the correctness of the CIP3-files produced by PPP.

2. PPP is only working on a Mac, I know it. You don't have have to use 1bit Tiffs in full plate resolution of 2400dpi or so, a resolution of 100dpi or 300dpi is by far enough for CIP3.
 

Joe

Well-known member
Normal resolution for CIP3 images are very low. For example there are 4 options in Prinergy for outputting CIP3 files. We use the low resolution which is 12 dpi.

  • Low resolution is approximately 12.5 ppi, which gives good preview images.
  • Medium resolution is approximately 25 ppi, which gives a sharper preview image with more detail.
  • High resolution is approximately 50 ppi, which gives the sharpest available preview image with the most detail.
  • Very High resolution is up to 100 ppi, which gives the sharpest available preview image with the most detail, depending on the plate output resolution.
 

What About Profitability?

Canon
What about Profitability?
Offset yields new advantages

Read All About It

   
Top