Xerox Color 1000 Press
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That kind of depends on what the actual cracking stems from.
There's 2 types of issues I usually see with folding off a digital press - One is toner cracking, which is when you have actual peel back of toner on the surfaces adjacent to the fold planes. The other is paper cracking, which is when you get a white line down the fold plane - this is what I typically see more on KM digital presses. If you have the second issue and are doing multiple folds (like a 12x18 folded down to a 6x9 to be tabbed and mailed), you may even experience paper splitting at the intersection points of the fold.
The reason the paper cracks could be a number of things (grain direction most obvious) but a lot of the time its because the paper is so dry at the end of the process, especially with KM digital presses because they heat/dehumidify in the tray to feed more reliably. In that scenario, the humidification system is a huge benefit and that's exactly what it's purpose is.
There's 2 types of issues I usually see with folding off a digital press - One is toner cracking, which is when you have actual peel back of toner on the surfaces adjacent to the fold planes. The other is paper cracking, which is when you get a white line down the fold plane - this is what I typically see more on KM digital presses. If you have the second issue and are doing multiple folds (like a 12x18 folded down to a 6x9 to be tabbed and mailed), you may even experience paper splitting at the intersection points of the fold.
The reason the paper cracks could be a number of things (grain direction most obvious) but a lot of the time its because the paper is so dry at the end of the process, especially with KM digital presses because they heat/dehumidify in the tray to feed more reliably. In that scenario, the humidification system is a huge benefit and that's exactly what it's purpose is.
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XC1000 Consistency
XC1000 Consistency
Hey folks - actual Xerox GC rep here (I never hide who or what I am)
When considering the Color Press 800/1000 and the competitive models, here is a fun little test we do in our demo room to really put the questions and doubt to bed. Our customers have asked us to run a "long run" of a solid color, printed front and back covering an entire sheet of 12X18. When asked what they consider a "long run", they'd answer 100, 200? We have been suggesting how about 1000? We build their test sheet in Indesign right in front of them using their toughest Pantone color. (usually brown, or green or Orange) We then make another sheet with the same color as a tint - 40% perhaps. Then we let that rip and print a good 500 - 1000 of each - pulling out every 50th sheet. They have compared and everyone of them has been amazed at how consistent and perfect the images are. We are blowing away those in our area who have not wanted to look at a Xerox machine for many years. I haven't ever seen a KM demo where they run more than 15 sheets at a time and never seen them attempt earthtones or Home Depot Orange. Ask them next time - then give them a full page gradient, or better yet, a page with several different gradients going in several directions and run several hundred of those to compare. See what they say...
This machine is really everything it's cracked up to be. If you read my posts on a regular basis, you'll know I am brutally honest, good or bad towards the company I work for. I believe in having credibility on the street and could never be in the bag for a product I don't believe in 100%!
XC1000 Consistency
Hey folks - actual Xerox GC rep here (I never hide who or what I am)
When considering the Color Press 800/1000 and the competitive models, here is a fun little test we do in our demo room to really put the questions and doubt to bed. Our customers have asked us to run a "long run" of a solid color, printed front and back covering an entire sheet of 12X18. When asked what they consider a "long run", they'd answer 100, 200? We have been suggesting how about 1000? We build their test sheet in Indesign right in front of them using their toughest Pantone color. (usually brown, or green or Orange) We then make another sheet with the same color as a tint - 40% perhaps. Then we let that rip and print a good 500 - 1000 of each - pulling out every 50th sheet. They have compared and everyone of them has been amazed at how consistent and perfect the images are. We are blowing away those in our area who have not wanted to look at a Xerox machine for many years. I haven't ever seen a KM demo where they run more than 15 sheets at a time and never seen them attempt earthtones or Home Depot Orange. Ask them next time - then give them a full page gradient, or better yet, a page with several different gradients going in several directions and run several hundred of those to compare. See what they say...
This machine is really everything it's cracked up to be. If you read my posts on a regular basis, you'll know I am brutally honest, good or bad towards the company I work for. I believe in having credibility on the street and could never be in the bag for a product I don't believe in 100%!
ShortRunMagazines
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I find your test interesting... I returned my Xerox 1000 due to banding in the cross process directions with 50% tints and measured a delta e variation of over 7 on a solid green color in 1000 copies. (Green to blue).
So, how is your machine not having issues and I was told there was nothing that could be done?
So, how is your machine not having issues and I was told there was nothing that could be done?
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I can only speak for what we have done ourselves in our demo room. What is your stock? (GSM, synthetic-poly?) How is your environment? (temperature, humidity, etc) These factors will affect all print, but especially digital print. I have total confidence doing these tests in front of our customers.
Larry Murphy
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I have laminated samples off the Xerox 1000 on standard opp films without any de-laminating not like the IGens wher you have to use digital films
Xerox 1000 - issues and problems
Xerox 1000 - issues and problems
We have been running a Xerox Color1000 with Creo RIP and come to the conclusion that while the finished result is excellent we have issues with constant "jams". The internal construction feels flimsy and communication between RIP and printer is often lost for no apparent reason. Are we alone with these issues? Seems to us that it may be a manufacturing issue rather than a service problem.
Xerox 1000 - issues and problems
We have been running a Xerox Color1000 with Creo RIP and come to the conclusion that while the finished result is excellent we have issues with constant "jams". The internal construction feels flimsy and communication between RIP and printer is often lost for no apparent reason. Are we alone with these issues? Seems to us that it may be a manufacturing issue rather than a service problem.
ShortRunMagazines
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I noticed the loss of connectivity with my free flow rip often... (Very often). The jams are a major pain in the backside due to the fact that you must clear the entire path on every jam. Have they blamed your paper yet?
easiprint
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Not related to the thread really, but I had a 'moment' with my Xerox tech a while ago when they blamed the paper for a jamming problem. I took great delight in showing them that I was running Xerox Colortech
. Proof that when all else fails, Xerox blame the paper...We have jams that are seemingly caused by perfect paper going down a clear paper path. The equipment itself seems to be flimsy in construction with a high potential for damage. There is certainly a long down time having cleared a stoppage - running a job with colour and mono pages is a lengthy process. Quality is great but what a pain to get there.
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This is my first time using multi-quote so be gentle...
Ah, statistics; they can be bent and twisted to fit whatever situation and point you want to make...
Here's some follow up statistics. 95%-100% of any junk mail will end up in the trash and earn you zero return, even with VDP. The 1%-5% (actually considered good) response rate that you might get takes on average seven (7) unique occurrences before the recipient will start to remember you, your logo, etc.
The bottom line is people don't give a shit whether or not the junk mail has their name on it or the product code of that last box of pens they bought...
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but "real VDP" is really a glorified mail merge. It's just that the mail merger doesn't have the right application to do it with ease.
Here's a true little story. An IT friend of mine, old timer; that used to write customized software programming and custom printer drivers was doing "real VDP" 20 years ago.
The bottom line is once these big companies that are into "real VDP" figure out they can pay a programmer a small one time fee to write their own code, or who knows, Microsoft might update mail merge to include more fields, variable images, etc.; when this happens Joe Schmoe will be able to print "real VDP" to their own equipment or at least to PDF and send it off to any printer they want.
Not only is it a possibility but it is an inevitability.
See above. Igens are cool no doubt, although I'd only buy one if they printed 2400 dpi instead of 600dpi. VDP is nothing new. It's only a matter of time before a cheap or free software is available to the masses.
Ah yes, the fairy tale resources that magically appear once someone has purchased a piece of Xerox equipment that somehow by purchasing Xerox equipment you will now make money with customers that weren't there before the purchase...and the other misc. resources (excluding toner of course).
Reminds me of this video:
hizbub PRESS C8000 vs. Smearox 800 - YouTube
Ah, statistics; they can be bent and twisted to fit whatever situation and point you want to make...
Here's some follow up statistics. 95%-100% of any junk mail will end up in the trash and earn you zero return, even with VDP. The 1%-5% (actually considered good) response rate that you might get takes on average seven (7) unique occurrences before the recipient will start to remember you, your logo, etc.
The bottom line is people don't give a shit whether or not the junk mail has their name on it or the product code of that last box of pens they bought...
Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but "real VDP" is really a glorified mail merge. It's just that the mail merger doesn't have the right application to do it with ease.
Here's a true little story. An IT friend of mine, old timer; that used to write customized software programming and custom printer drivers was doing "real VDP" 20 years ago.
The bottom line is once these big companies that are into "real VDP" figure out they can pay a programmer a small one time fee to write their own code, or who knows, Microsoft might update mail merge to include more fields, variable images, etc.; when this happens Joe Schmoe will be able to print "real VDP" to their own equipment or at least to PDF and send it off to any printer they want.
Not only is it a possibility but it is an inevitability.
See above. Igens are cool no doubt, although I'd only buy one if they printed 2400 dpi instead of 600dpi. VDP is nothing new. It's only a matter of time before a cheap or free software is available to the masses.
Ah yes, the fairy tale resources that magically appear once someone has purchased a piece of Xerox equipment that somehow by purchasing Xerox equipment you will now make money with customers that weren't there before the purchase...and the other misc. resources (excluding toner of course).
Reminds me of this video:
hizbub PRESS C8000 vs. Smearox 800 - YouTube
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Well I'd have to totally disagree with you guys. There's nothing wrong with a little banter and fun playing humor.
It makes me laugh and really brightens my day when theses guys go at it...not to mention it adds a nice variety to the dull and boring facts and statistics that are on many other sites.
The purpose of the forums is freeing sharing of information amongst individuals. The day any moderator on this or any forum I belong to starts censoring anybody that uses good taste is the day I will leave and browse somewhere else.
The only travesty here is that I wasted at least five (5) but more like ten (10) minutes reading through the below posts that were neither funny, inspiring, factually accurate but were rather dull.
At least these guys that "bicker" contribute a great deal throughout the many threads. Heck, Ubertech's post count is more than all three of ya'lls combined.
If you don't like a post or find it irrelevant then move on to the next one.
It makes me laugh and really brightens my day when theses guys go at it...not to mention it adds a nice variety to the dull and boring facts and statistics that are on many other sites.
The purpose of the forums is freeing sharing of information amongst individuals. The day any moderator on this or any forum I belong to starts censoring anybody that uses good taste is the day I will leave and browse somewhere else.
The only travesty here is that I wasted at least five (5) but more like ten (10) minutes reading through the below posts that were neither funny, inspiring, factually accurate but were rather dull.
At least these guys that "bicker" contribute a great deal throughout the many threads. Heck, Ubertech's post count is more than all three of ya'lls combined.
If you don't like a post or find it irrelevant then move on to the next one.
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It was my understanding from the price list that clear toner is about 1.5 times the cost of regular toner. I don't see how since it doesn't require extra raw materials such as the pigment.
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