Xerox 550 vs Versant 180....Post installation regret.

[PrintingInLincs]

An exacto blade and a ruler could do this job. I am absolutely baffled by your incompetence. I am sorry to be so blunt, but nothing about this is hard. You ignore everyones advice and then blame everything but yourself.

I've not ignored advice, even purchasing recommended equipment but I agree things shouldn't be this difficult.

 

[imxtoeknee]

I've not ignored advice, even purchasing recommended equipment but I agree things shouldn't be this difficult.

Hey there,

Another issue I recently ran into was the registration unit itself was faulty. It can look totally fine with nothing bent but some of the sensors can be off and that will make perfect registration impossible. Ask to have your tech swap out the registration unit (its right before the 2nd BTR). No printer should have alignment issues that cannot be fixed.

Tony

 

[Ynot_UK]

@PrintingInLincs you could bin all these frustrations and make more money by buying in supplies of all your SKUs rather than printing on demand in-house. There's a good few of us on here UK-based who would give you a fair deal on regular orders for several hundred posters. You could then just concentrate on fulfilment, artwork, sourcing new imagery, rather than being a slave to a process you don't enjoy. Just a thought.

 

[tngcas]

I think the problem comes down to understanding how equipment is designed. One of the things that annoys me greatly is that with the V2100s the registration process they use is ALL about making the front and back image match each other no matter where it falls on the actual sheet.

The auto-registration process does not care if it's centered on the sheet itself as long as the front and back match. That's great until you need things to be perfectly centered. You have to let go of that expectation.

Finally, this whole thing is solved if you just acknowledge some of your image is going to be hidden by the frame and just design it that way. This is how the commercial printing industry works. This the film industry also works this way. They frame shots knowing different tvs will crop off parts the film and they make sure the main story is always in the area that 90% of tvs will show and you let the background be... background.

Fill up the "white" space with content that is intended to be covered up. Then you don't have to be finicky about the white being perfect and you don't have to care if that section gets covered up. Every frame is different anyways and some will cover up more or less of the white space anyways.

 

[pippip]

I think the problem comes down to understanding how equipment is designed. One of the things that annoys me greatly is that with the V2100s the registration process they use is ALL about making the front and back image match each other no matter where it falls on the actual sheet.

The auto-registration process does not care if it's centered on the sheet itself as long as the front and back match. That's great until you need things to be perfectly centered. You have to let go of that expectation.

Is that true of the 2100?, I only have the V80 so alignment is semi-automatic relying on manual scanning of image one side at a time but it's always bang on centre of the sheet when done correctly. Surely the basis of any alignment is centre each side and by default the front to back registration is on?

Would it not throw all the booklet finishing if the V2100 solely aimed at front to back anywhere on the sheet?

 

[tngcas]

Is that true of the 2100?, I only have the V80 so alignment is semi-automatic relying on manual scanning of image one side at a time but it's always bang on centre of the sheet when done correctly. Surely the basis of any alignment is centre each side and by default the front to back registration is on?

Would it not throw all the booklet finishing if the V2100 solely aimed at front to back anywhere on the sheet?

It throws a lot of stuff off and it makes me crazy. It's possible this isn't the intended behavior but I have two V2100s and they both behave the same.

If I align something and front to back matches but it's not centered, re-aligning using auto registration it doesn't change the position on the page.
That doesn't even take into account the whole notion of "skewing" jobs to achieve alignment.

Issues this behavior causes down the line:

• If I'm doing something with a white margin and cutting down (ie just cut in half) the margins are usually off.
• With heavier stocks that have trail edge deletion issues. If the alignment is too close to an edge then trail edge deletion becomes a major problem if "center" of the print is more shifted towards the edge of the sheet.
• Every paper stock has a different starting position for the image so when we use our aerocut to cut things down like business cards, every job has to have a test sheet run through and then the aerocut has to get tweaked to try to match the print.
• The whole "stretch, skew, twist" mechanism to achieve alignment causes problems too since that means if you scaled up the image to make it match then getting the aerocut to cut the job consistently can be nearly impossible since it now needs to know if the job was scaled up or down.

For margin critical jobs I sometimes manually tweak the alignment sheets so that I can shift the image to the center but it's a tedious process that gets undone the next time someone runs auto alignment.

Our J75 Machine - This aligns just like the V80 and the alignment rarely drift like the V2100s do. I think the auto registration feature is just not as clever as it should be and focuses too much on trying to match front to back vs. center of sheet.

 

[azehnali]

seams like you are not doing any alignment profiles or transfer bias or edge deletion corrections

 

[tngcas]

seams like you are not doing any alignment profiles or transfer bias or edge deletion corrections

LOL - We have an alignment profile for every tray and every stock used in that tray. Every stock also has edge deletion corrections and voltage transfer adjustment corrections. On 130p weights the edge deletion corrections only get you so far. Humidity/weather/specific color combo affect edge deletion as well so it can vary depending on the job. With the V2100s you have to have an alignment profile specified or it'll just use the default alignment and that's useless for anything but very lightweight stocks.

 

[PricelineNegotiator]

I've not ignored advice, even purchasing recommended equipment but I agree things shouldn't be this difficult.

I have offered consulting services to you for a fee. I have offered FLYING to your location to teach you how to print correctly.

Now, just think for a second if you would have listened to my advice, how much further ahead you would be. 15 posters a week? I can guarantee you have no idea what the fuck you are doing, AT ALL.

Instead, you are "so smart" that you ignore my few PM's and instead blather about how shit the machine is.

I (and other "idiots" on the forum) can print 2,500+ posters before lunch without breaking a sweat. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[PricelineNegotiator]

Also, everyone replying to this guy, I would recommend you STOP offering him advice. This thread is FIVE MONTHS old. It is now time to let him sink or swim.

Elsewise you are just wasting your breath.

 

[PrintingInLincs]

I have offered consulting services to you for a fee. I have offered FLYING to your location to teach you how to print correctly.

Now, just think for a second if you would have listened to my advice, how much further ahead you would be. 15 posters a week? I can guarantee you have no idea what the fuck you are doing, AT ALL.

Instead, you are "so smart" that you ignore my few PM's and instead blather about how shit the machine is.

I (and other "idiots" on the forum) can print 2,500+ posters before lunch without breaking a sweat. Get your head out of your ass.

The machine is being sold off shortly so it matters not.

 

[PricelineNegotiator]

The machine is being sold off shortly so it matters not.

I am sure you made a very well informed decision.