Xerox Versant envelope double feeding

[SoggyWinter]

Versant 3100, but this may be applicable to more Xerox hardware. We just discovered that fanning envelopes before feeding into Tray 5 greatly decreases double feeding with difficult envelopes. Hope Santa gets me an envelope feeder for Christmas 8)

 

[TJPrinter]

This is good to know. I was wondering if you had to use tray 5 because they wouldn't run in trays 6 or 7 either.

 

[kslight]

When I had Xerox machines I made jigs out of chipboard for each envelope size to assist with feeding. Air fed drawers work much better at preventing double feeding, does your printer not have any air fed drawers? I’m assuming that tray is friction fed.

 

[MailGuru]

Mmmm.....our Versants had an attachment that fit inside the high capacity input trays. Feed was fast, efficient and no doubles

The video above looks like you are feeding from the manual bypass tray at only 10 to 20 envelopes at a time?

 

[SoggyWinter]

When I had Xerox machines I made jigs out of chipboard for each envelope size to assist with feeding. Air fed drawers work much better at preventing double feeding, does your printer not have any air fed drawers? I’m assuming that tray is friction fed.

The air feed drawers on mine constantly double feed with 176gsm/67# cover uncoated and some envelopes. With #9 and #10 envelopes it can also be a hassle getting the stacks to the right height and angel so they feed at all.

 

[SoggyWinter]

Mmmm.....our Versants had an attachment that fit inside the high capacity input trays. Feed was fast, efficient and no doubles

The video above looks like you are feeding from the manual bypass tray at only 10 to 20 envelopes at a time?

Pretty much. I have the envelope bracket, but these envelopes weren't feeding reliably in Trays 6 and 7.

 

[TJPrinter]

I always use trays 6 & 7 and have found that some brands of envelopes don’t run as well as others. For years I ran Lindemeyer #10 diagonal envelopes with no issues, then out of blue I started to get bad wrinkles. I switched to digital side seam (same price) and the problem disappeared. Could be they switched converters or something, but I can’t reliably run the diagonals anymore.

I have a paper profile just for envelopes and I have the air assist set to Multi-feed handling table. When I run envelopes, I also replace the standard feed tire with the tire below. I bought some on Aliexpress and they work great. A bit softer and little more aggressive than the standard feed tires I get on service contract. Thousands of envelopes are printed like this with very few misfeeds, and most misfeeds occur when I get lazy and try to overload the tray. Otherwise, they feed continuously, switching between trays 6 & 7 non-stop.

 

[MailGuru]

Ours would use trays 6 & 7, non-stop. Worked great for #10's, 6x9's, and A7's. #9's would jam. Had to tape a cardboard "jumper" at the bottom curve of the paper path where it changes to an upper direction. Then, they would run smooth as silk.

We'd print 5 to 10 thousand at a clip all week long in no time flat.

 

[wonderings]

On my old 2100 I loaded both high cap trays up with #10's and they ran flawlessly. Miss having that press for envelopes. Ran offset envelopes as well, did not have to get digital envelopes in.

 

[MailGuru]

We just discovered that fanning envelopes before feeding into Tray 5 greatly decreases double feeding with difficult envelopes.

Always helps.

IMHO, one of the most important pieces of knowledge in our industry is how to work with paper.

You can teach how to run the printers, cutter, folder, and inserter because they are all finite and specific. Working with material, on the other hand, comes from years of trial & error experience. It's hard to teach that.

 

[SoggyWinter]

Always helps.

IMHO, one of the most important pieces of knowledge in our industry is how to work with paper.

You can teach how to run the printers, cutter, folder, and inserter because they are all finite and specific. Working with material, on the other hand, comes from years of trial & error experience. It's hard to teach that.

Agreed. Have you come across video courses or books on understanding paper?